...now, what would you do to facilitate a getting out of the current Housing market/Lender induced economic mess??
1st off, no Tax payer monies to the lending institutions
2nd off, no socializing or Federal takeover of the Housing industry
Now, where can we go from there?
...now, what would you do to facilitate a getting out of the current Housing market/Lender induced economic mess??
1st off, no Tax payer monies to the lending institutions
2nd off, no socializing or Federal takeover of the Housing industry
Now, where can we go from there?
...now, what would you do to facilitate a getting out of the current Housing market/Lender induced economic mess??
Clearly, it would have to be either a bailout of the American Public or a tax rebate of some kind.
Abolish private property.
Abolish private property.
That is happening by accident , it is part of the crisis.
So who builds the houses?Abolish private property.
That is happening by accident , it is part of the crisis.
No, I don't think you understand.
Need credit to get a loan to get a home?
No. Abolish private property.
CEO's overpaid, while workers receive nothing from massive government settlement?
Nope. Abolish private property. From each according to his ability to each according to his need.
Js now advocating we become a religious-focused governing body?? ACLU isn't going to like that
The people who currently build houses would build houses. Who else would you expect to build them?
How do you think they determined the balance of what was needed and who had what ability in the Book of Acts from where that quote is taken?
The people who currently build houses would build houses. Who else would you expect to build them?
How do you think they determined the balance of what was needed and who had what ability in the Book of Acts from where that quote is taken?
I will need that chapter and verse , my memory is failing to lead me to it.
If I were a carpenter , I would want some pay to come from my work, not based on what calories were needed to keep me alive , but based on the quality and quanity of my work and the fact that you arn't getting my work if you pay too little.
Who am I going to trust to determine what I need ? I like McCain , I even trust him , but not nearly that much. How am I goiing to feel when the government is run by people I can't vote for? This happens now and then you know.
44 All who believed were together and had all things in common;
45 they would sell their property and possessions and divide them among all according to each one's need.
34 There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale,
35 and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need.
The people who currently build houses would build houses. Who else would you expect to build them?
How do you think they determined the balance of what was needed and who had what ability in the Book of Acts from where that quote is taken?
I will need that chapter and verse , my memory is failing to lead me to it.
If I were a carpenter , I would want some pay to come from my work, not based on what calories were needed to keep me alive , but based on the quality and quanity of my work and the fact that you arn't getting my work if you pay too little.
Who am I going to trust to determine what I need ? I like McCain , I even trust him , but not nearly that much. How am I goiing to feel when the government is run by people I can't vote for? This happens now and then you know.
Acts 2:44-45Quote44 All who believed were together and had all things in common;
45 they would sell their property and possessions and divide them among all according to each one's need.
Acts 4:34-35Quote34 There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale,
35 and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need.
And to answer Rich, it amazes me that this is 2008 and anyone who calls himself a follower of Christ would not subscribe to a system where "There was no needy person among them."
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
32 and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
44 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
And pray tell, was Christ addressing individuals here? It sure does not sound that way to me.
Matthew 25Quote31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
32 and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
44 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."[/color]
And pray tell, was Christ addressing individuals here? It sure does not sound that way to me.
Matthew 25Quote31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
32 and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
44 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
And pray tell, was Christ addressing individuals here? It sure does not sound that way to me.
Acts 4:34-35Quote34 There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale,
35 and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need.
| But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God." |
Can a person actually lie to God (or any omniscient being)? Think about it.
Do you suppose Ananias is in Heaven or Hell these days?
First, there is the problem that God might well not be in existence. He might have died or left the building. Ypu know, like Elvis.
Second, there is the problem that God actually listens or understands something said to him. There is the possibility that the Big Bang was so really big a bang that he is deaf.
Third, if we suppose that Ananias was devout enough to sell some of his stuff (I think the word 'profit' is incorrectly used for at least some of the sale of his assets), then he should be sufficiently clever to also believe that lying to an omniscient, omnipotent being is essentially futile. Such a being , like Sanata Claus, "knows when you are sleeping, knows when you're awake, knows when you've been bad or good, so be good, for goodness' sake" I find it somewhat strange that God himself did not point this out to him, rather than relying on some mortal to do so.
Ananais seems to be a rather negative figure in the Scripture: no one names their kid "Ananais", do they?
I would think that if he had been forgiven, this would have been mentioned.
And pray tell, was Christ addressing individuals here? It sure does not sound that way to me.
That the parable speaks of groups of individuals does not mean the parable is not about individual responsibility....Private property had not been abolished among the Christians. Those who owned property would sell them. They benefited from having property to sell. And they voluntarily did this. No one was forced to do so, nor was there a mandate from the apostles that all Christians must do so...People who sold what they owned did so by choice, not because the choice was removed from them. Even Ananias was not punished for keeping part of his profit, but for lying about having given all
I would say that it should be a matter of interest to any Deity who felt that such lying was worth making an example over.