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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Brassmask on September 26, 2008, 08:16:23 PM
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I just got the date wrong.
She'll be gone OCTOBER 12TH, not September 12th. My bad.
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You probably don't want that Brass.
The more people are looking at Palin the less they are looking at Obama.
That is to your benefit.
And you don't want Obama leaping ahead in the polls . The press will dump him like last nights one night stand.
They are fickle like that.
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I don't know, dude. If he were to dump her Oct 12th, that would be two weeks till the election. Could a switch like that work in his favor over two weeks after allowing all of you to fall in love with Palin and letting all of you proclaim she is the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Wouldn't he risk losing millions of voter who just throw up their hands and stay home rather than vote for some dumbass who made all his choices in the campaign based on what allowed him to control the news cycles daily?
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I've been watching the full interviews with Couric and Palin does OK. She zinged Couric when she mentioned polls and did a little finger twirl about Obama and his finger in the wind. You could see Couric flash daggers at her.
Yeah Palin is a little rough around the edges. She's Target, not Neiman Marcus. That is what really scares the shit out of those who bash her at every turn. She is the great American unwashed. Hometown girl done good.
She does know what a gallon of milk costs today. She does know what they are teaching in the schools, her kids attend them. She knows how to do a budget, government and home. She apparently uses smiley faces, which would normally be enough to cost my vote.
She'll do fine when debating Biden. She'll be a fine VP.
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Palin is totally unqualified to be president. My cat could be a fine VP, actually. She could sit solemnly through state funerals and sit in the Senate, with no ties to break because the Democrats are going to have a clear majority. Of course, my cat does like to lick her ass, and I have yet to see Palin do that.
This debate was hardly the end of the process. It won't be over til it's over.
McCain would be a mild improvement over Juniorbush.
Obama would be a great improvement.
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Palin is totally unqualified to be president.
How is Palin less qualified than Truman was? Or Jimmy Carter?
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I've been watching the full interviews with Couric and Palin does OK. She zinged Couric when she mentioned polls and did a little finger twirl about Obama and his finger in the wind. You could see Couric flash daggers at her.
Yeah Palin is a little rough around the edges. She's Target, not Neiman Marcus. That is what really scares the shit out of those who bash her at every turn. She is the great American unwashed. Hometown girl done good.
She does know what a gallon of milk costs today. She does know what they are teaching in the schools, her kids attend them. She knows how to do a budget, government and home. She apparently uses smiley faces, which would normally be enough to cost my vote.
She'll do fine when debating Biden. She'll be a fine VP.
No, BT, you are making a terrible error in judgment. You are trying to paint her as "one of us" or "folksy". She is none of this stuff. This is her "image" and that is all.
We joke about how perception is reality all the time but this is not even close to perception or reality. The McCain campaign is acting like they're trying to sell the American people a F150 with a trailer hitch and you are trying to say, "Hey, we know she's not a F150 with a trailer hitch but it's ok because we understand that she's good old-fashioned '74 pickup with a chain on the bumper that runs good and gets the job done and that's just fine. Hell, in some ways we prefer it!"
The sad reality, of which you are willing remaining ignorant, is that she is neither. In reality, she is a pile of cardboard boxes stacked in the silhouette of a pickup truck. And that's not just ludicrous or ridiculous, it is dangerous and frankly, calls in to question McCain's judgment and, yes, his faculties.
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You are trying to paint her as "one of us" or "folksy". She is none of this stuff. This is her "image" and that is all.
How does a cardboard silhouette get elected to the city council of a town twice as well as mayor of that same town and then go on to get elected governor in a major upset.
She is good at what she does and she is real good at connecting with ordinary people.
The same day she was announced as McCains running mate she was asked about her experience to be VP. She said she had been in govt for 13 years. No big deal. Except for one thing. The reporter asked that question of her in a grocery store and she was pushing a grocery card.
I don't think it gets any more real than that.
Me thinks you are believing what you want to believe.
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You are trying to paint her as "one of us" or "folksy". She is none of this stuff. This is her "image" and that is all.
How does a cardboard silhouette get elected to the city council of a town twice as well as mayor of that same town and then go on to get elected governor in a major upset.
She is good at what she does and she is real good at connecting with ordinary people.
The same day she was announced as McCains running mate she was asked about her experience to be VP. She said she had been in govt for 13 years. No big deal. Except for one thing. The reporter asked that question of her in a grocery store and she was pushing a grocery card.
I don't think it gets any more real than that.
Me thinks you are believing what you want to believe.
Dude, Please drop this facade. It's really depressing. You guys are just saying this stuff as a big FU to everybody who is pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. Just like your slavish devotion to Bush these last four or five years.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cafferty_to_Blitzer_Dont_make_excuses_0926.html (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cafferty_to_Blitzer_Dont_make_excuses_0926.html)
You cannot watch that video and believe, after having seen Obama speak on any number of subjects tonight and knowing that Biden is so experienced and knowledgeable that McCain plus Palin is > Obama plus Biden.
I never thought I'd say this but W was smarter and more qualified by leaps and bounds to be president in 2000 than she is. It is simply egotistical to insist that this woman should be allowed to sit in readiness to be the president of this nation.
I know, I know, "how horrible is it that you hate women, Bryan and don't want a woman to be VP? I thought liberals were for women's equality?" Blah, blah, blah, snark and sarcasm. You guys have some kind of crazy deathwish with this woman and I just wish you'd get over it before you get us all killed. It's bad enough you put Bush in office TWICE (with a lot of help from SCOTUS, Katherine Harris and Blackwell in Ohio and your good friends at Diebold).
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Dude, Please drop this facade. It's really depressing. You guys are just saying this stuff as a big FU to everybody who is pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.
How about I am saying it because it is true.
New concept for you, but i have always been ahead of the curve.
Forgive me, but i have to get personal with you.
Remember when you asked me what public office was like because your wife was entertaining thoughts of running for the school board or some local office.
She's real, right? Mother of your kid, who is growing up nicely, and soulmate to you.
Would you think it OK for people to treat her anywhere as nasty as they are treating Palin?
Is that what the game has become? Disagree with someone politically, and disembowel them?
WTF kind of country has this become?
Do you not think that Palin has a Benjamin and a Brass and that she took a fork in the road and next thing you know she is running for VP. That is right, she is not Obama's opponent.
Look. I have talked to a lot of people in elective office over the last few years. And the consistent answer as to why they ran is because they want to leave their city, county or state better than they found it.
This whole thing of politics as blood sport is nonsense. That's just crap from people who don't have alternate solutions to the issues. Present that, let the people decide instead of eviscerating your political opposites.
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Excellent.
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Dude, Please drop this facade. It's really depressing. You guys are just saying this stuff as a big FU to everybody who is pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.
>How about I am saying it because it is true. <
Nothing a Repub says is true. Everyone but y'all know that now. GWB is the embodiment of it. You know he is lying cause his lips are moving to paraphrase a salesman joke.
>New concept for you, but i have always been ahead of the curve. <
And so very humble as well.
>Forgive me, but i have to get personal with you. <
I thought we werent to do that in here.
>Remember when you asked me what public office was like because your wife was entertaining thoughts of running for the school board or some local office. <
I wouldnt advise even my worst enemy to go into politics. You only get grief if you are honest and grief and rich if you are dishonest.
>She's real, right? Mother of your kid, who is growing up nicely, and soulmate to you.<
Oh please- Why lay it on this thick? You are gettig saccharine now.
>Would you think it OK for people to treat her anywhere as nasty as they are treating Palin? <
The people that are the nastiest to her are McCain for getting her into this mess and herself for not having enough self awareness to know she is not up to it. I quess stupid folks dont think of themseves as stupid
>Is that what the game has become? Disagree with someone politically, and disembowel them?<
Actually this started with y'all hounding Bill to the gates of hell for accepting a blow job
>WTF kind of country has this become?
You should know. You created it. <
Do you not think that Palin has a Benjamin and a Brass and that she took a fork in the road and next thing you know she is running for VP. That is right, she is not Obama's opponent.
>She took the wrong fork and she has become more of O's opponent than the lackluster McCain<
>Look. I have talked to a lot of people in elective office over the last few years. And the consistent answer as to why they ran is because they want to leave their city, county or state better than they found it. <
Raw Bullshit.Really swallowed by vous . Any one would say such shit if asked but there might be a rare Dem that really wants to do something, but they are soon corrupted. Repubs are only self-interested by either stealing via their influence or at very minimum protecting their pocketbooks through no or less taxes. You have admitted as much in the past
>This whole thing of politics as blood sport is nonsense. That's just crap from people who don't have alternate solutions to the issues. Present that, let the people decide instead of eviscerating your political opposites. <
Once again the blood sport started with y'all RW haters of Bill. I have never seen a Repub solution that entailed much more than a tax cut or giveaway to rich people and corporations such as the current bailout proposal. If you want the people to really decide stop swiftboating your opponents.
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How is Palin less qualified than Truman was? Or Jimmy Carter?
Truman had been a US Senator, who, on his own initiative, drove to various army bases and revealed major incompetence and graft.
Jimmy Carter was the governor of a real state (one that actually has to tax its citizens, that actually HAS a decent number of citizens, who came up with an extensive plan for zero-based budgeting.
None of his kids got preggers before marriage.He never claimed that creationism was worth a second glance. At no point did Carter say that all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest, were immoral.
Despite Palin's incompetence to be president, McCain won't drop her. If he did a lot of rightwing fundies would vote fpor Barr or just stay home.
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Truman had been a US Senator, who, on his own initiative, drove to various army bases and revealed major incompetence and graft.
I don't see how this differs from Palin's work on the Ethics Committee
Jimmy Carter was the governor of a real state (one that actually has to tax its citizens, that actually HAS a decent number of citizens, who came up with an extensive plan for zero-based budgeting.
Alaska is a real state with it's own set of problems, population is irrelevant, and Palin was known for cutting budgets.
None of his kids got preggers before marriage.He never claimed that creationism was worth a second glance. At no point did Carter say that all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest, were immoral.
... Carter said, "I've never been convinced, if you let me inject my Christianity into it, that Jesus Christ would approve abortion."
Don't know about Amy, but there is a damn good chance Chip knocked up some girls back in the day. He was a wild one.
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Dude, Please drop this facade. It's really depressing. You guys are just saying this stuff as a big FU to everybody who is pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.
>How about I am saying it because it is true. <
Nothing a Repub says is true. Everyone but y'all know that now. GWB is the embodiment of it. You know he is lying cause his lips are moving to paraphrase a salesman joke.
>New concept for you, but i have always been ahead of the curve. <
And so very humble as well.
>Forgive me, but i have to get personal with you. <
I thought we werent to do that in here.
>Remember when you asked me what public office was like because your wife was entertaining thoughts of running for the school board or some local office. <
I wouldnt advise even my worst enemy to go into politics. You only get grief if you are honest and grief and rich if you are dishonest.
>She's real, right? Mother of your kid, who is growing up nicely, and soulmate to you.<
Oh please- Why lay it on this thick? You are gettig saccharine now.
>Would you think it OK for people to treat her anywhere as nasty as they are treating Palin? <
The people that are the nastiest to her are McCain for getting her into this mess and herself for not having enough self awareness to know she is not up to it. I quess stupid folks dont think of themseves as stupid
>Is that what the game has become? Disagree with someone politically, and disembowel them?<
Actually this started with y'all hounding Bill to the gates of hell for accepting a blow job
>WTF kind of country has this become?
You should know. You created it. <
Do you not think that Palin has a Benjamin and a Brass and that she took a fork in the road and next thing you know she is running for VP. That is right, she is not Obama's opponent.
>She took the wrong fork and she has become more of O's opponent than the lackluster McCain<
>Look. I have talked to a lot of people in elective office over the last few years. And the consistent answer as to why they ran is because they want to leave their city, county or state better than they found it. <
Raw Bullshit.Really swallowed by vous . Any one would say such shit if asked but there might be a rare Dem that really wants to do something, but they are soon corrupted. Repubs are only self-interested by either stealing via their influence or at very minimum protecting their pocketbooks through no or less taxes. You have admitted as much in the past
>This whole thing of politics as blood sport is nonsense. That's just crap from people who don't have alternate solutions to the issues. Present that, let the people decide instead of eviscerating your political opposites. <
Once again the blood sport started with y'all RW haters of Bill. I have never seen a Repub solution that entailed much more than a tax cut or giveaway to rich people and corporations such as the current bailout proposal. If you want the people to really decide stop swiftboating your opponents.
I'll have to give you credit for being consistent.
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Actually this started with y'all hounding Bill to the gates of hell for accepting a blow job
Which is of course not true ,not even a little bit.
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Truman had been a US Senator, who, on his own initiative, drove to various army bases and revealed major incompetence and graft.
I don't see how this differs from Palin's work on the Ethics Committee
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Because it resulted in MILLIONS not being misspent after this was revealed.
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Jimmy Carter was the governor of a real state (one that actually has to tax its citizens, that actually HAS a decent number of citizens, who came up with an extensive plan for zero-based budgeting.
Alaska is a real state with it's own set of problems, population is irrelevant, and Palin was known for cutting budgets.
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Yes, it does, but yes population is very relevant, and Palin would have been a success if she had told McCain no, she was elected to do a job by her people and she was going to have to do it as she promised in lieu of running off campaign.
Alaska may have real problems, but the Alaskan people do not have to pay taxes to support the state, as the oil pays for everything, and also sends an annual check to the people as well.
Georgia has no huge pile of money flowing in that pays for the entire cost of government, and a population small enough to send over $1000 to each man, woman and child in the State. That is why I said it was not a real state. Because it lacks the singular largest problem that all the other 49 states have.
Surely you can see the difference.
Surely you can see that Palin is running out on her obligations as well.
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>>Which is of course not true ,not even a little bit.<<
But there it is.
It's the root of their psychosis. Every once in a while someone will let it slip that it's all about their support for the reprobate Clinton. It fuels the hatred for Bush, Palin and Republicans. It's not logical, nor is rational. It's what gets them out of bed every morning. Hate. Revenge. All for a serial adulterer and rapist.
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but yes population is very relevant,
Why. All population does is increase the number of clients. Services are scalable.
And Alaska collects taxes:
Taxes
Sales & Use Tax
Alcoholic Beverages 17.1 18.5 18.5
Tobacco Products ? Cigarettes 35.3 36.5 36.5
Tobacco Products ? Other 8.5 8.9 9.5
Insurance Premium 46.5 48.1 48.5
Electric and Telephone Cooperative 0.2 0.2 0.2
Motor Fuel 39.2 39.4 39.8
Vehicle Rental 8.0 8.2 8.5
Tire Fee 1.5 1.5 1.5
Subtotal Sales & Use Tax 156.3 161.3 163.0
Subtotal Corporate Income Tax 176.9 139.4 129.1
Fish Tax
Fisheries Business 17.1 18.0 18.6
Fishery Resource Landing 5.3 5.6 5.8
Subtotal Fish Tax 22.4 23.6 24.4
Other Tax
Mining 79.1 79.8 71.0
Estate 0.1 0.0 0.0
Gaming 2.5 2.5 2.5
Subtotal Other Tax 81.7 82.3 73.5
Subtotal Taxes 437.3 406.6 390.0
http://www.tax.state.ak.us/sourcesbook/index.asp
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Why. All population does is increase the number of clients. Services are scalable.
And Alaska collects taxes:
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Oil royalties are not scalable, and is where Alaska gets most of what is used to run the state.
If the state gets oil royalties worth $1200 per citizen, and then you double the number of citizens, you will now have only $600 per citizen.
This is simple arithmetic.
Observe that there is no sales tax on most goods and services.
There is no tax on income or residential property collected by the state.
Face it, running Alaska is a LOT easier than running Georgia.
Palin had a far easier job than Carter, and did it for only 2 years. Carter served for all the time for which he was elected.
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Why. All population does is increase the number of clients. Services are scalable.
And Alaska collects taxes:
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Oil royalties are not scalable, and is where Alaska gets most of what is used to run the state.
If the state gets oil royalties worth $1200 per citizen, and then you double the number of citizens, you will now have only $600 per citizen.
This is simple arithmetic.
Observe that there is no sales tax on most goods and services.
There is no tax on income or residential property collected by the state.
Face it, running Alaska is a LOT easier than running Georgia.
Palin had a far easier job than Carter, and did it for only 2 years. Carter served for all the time for which he was elected.
You would have been happyer with Sonny Perdue as Veep?
He isn't bad but he isn't up to Palins level of charm .
Also Palin has made the news a few times fighting corruption , this fits the climate of the nation right now.
As for experience level , if experience level is indeed the most critical feature of a canadate , why would anyone prefer BHO to JSM? Not only is McCin famous for going against the grain , he has been doing so as long as BHO has been alive.
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I have no idea who Sonny Perdue is. Does he raise chickens?
Palin has appeared before the country about three times. I've seen LOTS more charming people than her.
McCain's maverick reputation is a promo job. He's not any sort of maverick.
Paslin should have stuck with the job she was elected to. Sh will have little power as VP and is not ready to be president in any way. Again, a BA from three colleges is not the same thing as a postgrad degree from Harvard.
Remember she was FOR the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it, and THE MONEY WAS NOT RETURNED.
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I have no idea who Sonny Perdue is. Does he raise chickens?
Palin has appeared before the country about three times. I've seen LOTS more charming people than her.
McCain's maverick reputation is a promo job. He's not any sort of maverick.
Paslin should have stuck with the job she was elected to. Sh will have little power as VP and is not ready to be president in any way. Again, a BA from three colleges is not the same thing as a postgrad degree from Harvard.
Remember she was FOR the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it, and THE MONEY WAS NOT RETURNED.
Sonny Perdue is the Govenor of Georgia , you know ,the real state.
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I have no idea who Sonny Perdue is.
You don't know who the governor of a neighboring state is?
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Actually this started with y'all hounding Bill to the gates of hell for accepting a blow job
Which is of course not true ,not even a little bit.
Why not? Before the RW kooks looked for anything and only got a blow job to persecute(with a little entrapment in between) American politics wasnt as polarized as it is today in any recent memory.FDR ,Eisenhower , Kennedy and even Bush Sr were known to have had affairs and mistresses but no one brought it up or fear that they too would be exposed. Well , guess what your RW nutcases broughtit up via Starr and guess what ?. Y'all were exposed for sex AND hypocracy.
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FDR ,Eisenhower , Kennedy and even Bush Sr were known to have had affairs
None of these folks lied under oath is a sexual harrasment hearing.
Please keep it honest.
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Oil royalties are not scalable, and is where Alaska gets most of what is used to run the state.
If the state gets oil royalties worth $1200 per citizen, and then you double the number of citizens, you will now have only $600 per citizen.
This is simple arithmetic.
Observe that there is no sales tax on most goods and services.
There is no tax on income or residential property collected by the state.
Face it, running Alaska is a LOT easier than running Georgia.
Palin had a far easier job than Carter, and did it for only 2 years. Carter served for all the time for which he was elected.
Oil revenues are also not perpetual. Aaska charged taxes before the North Slope, during the North Slope, and will charge taxes after the North Slope.
Your point about taxes is silly.
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Oil revenues are also not perpetual. Alaska charged taxes before the North Slope, during the North Slope, and will charge taxes after the North Slope.
Your point about taxes is silly.
THey may not be perpetual;, but gthey are NOW, and I was also taliking about the NOWZ governor of Alaska, the one who was elected to clean up corruption and is now not cleaning up anything. THat is NOT SILLY. It is a very valid point.
Palin even voted an increase in payments to citizens.
Giving people free money tends to make you popular.
The point is that Palin in Alaska had a much easier job for a much shorter time than Carter did as governor of Georgia. You are dodging the question here again and again.
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Palin even voted an increase in payments to citizens.
How does a governor "vote an increase"?
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andthe larger point is not matter the revenue source the revenue outflows have to be allocated and budgetted. And that is the part that is hard.
She is a governor, before that she was a mayor, before that she was a councilwoman. Her government experience stacks up well against Carter and Obama
Carter was a state rep and then a Governor. Obama was a stae rep and then Senator.
Carter had little foreign policy experience, his UN Ambassador, Andy Young had less.
Obama has little foreign policy experience.
I think this focus on Palin is silly because it also points out Obama's deficits.
And he is the head of your ticket.
McCain trumps Obama in foreign policy experience. That is what you need to worry about.
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McCain trumps Obama in foreign policy experience. That is what you need to worry about.
NOT FUCKING TRUE!
McCain likes WAR, and voted to invade and colonize Iraq.
Obama favors peace. And voted for peace.
Peace at home means less money pissed away on adventures abroad, fewer maimed, fewer killed, fewer who go off the trolly here at home and start blasting away, maybe at you.
McCain is more of the same.
You schmucks voted for a couple of phony oilmen and we got $4.25 a gallon gasoline.
Now you want to vote for some wacko military clown and just watch, he'll bring more war.
Your lack of reasoning skills is unbelievable. It is a wonder you can dress yourselves.
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You don't know who the governor of a neighboring state is?
So Georgia is electing chicken farmers? Jeez, I was making fun of the Southern habit of naming grown men childish names like "Sonny" and "Junior".
I was talking about Carter, who was the governor of GA that followed Axhandle Maddox. I have no idea why the current governor of GA might be germane to the discussion at hand.
How many state governors can YOU name?
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How many state governors can YOU name?
Quite a few, actually.
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When "Sonny" Perdue gets out of the chicken bidness or the governor's mansion in Atlanta and gets into national politics, then I might , I say, might have a reason to know who he is.
I did know, by the way, I was just kidding, because I couldn't recall the name of Frank Perdue. Now that I think about it, I think the Son of Frank Perdue is another Frank Perdue.
Them Southerners aren't too original when it comes to naming their offspring.
I am not sure why this is. Either they are confusing themselves with the Louies of France I through XVIII or they plumb just lack originality. I am not convinced that the Louies of France also lacked originality.
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NOT FUCKING TRUE!
Then kindly list Obama's foreign policy accomplishments.
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He voted against the misbegotten war in Iraq. That is a MAJOR accomplishment, because it was close to unique.
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He voted against the misbegotten war in Iraq.
When and where did this vote take place?
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>>When and where did this vote take place?<<
<chuckle>
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Actually this started with y'all hounding Bill to the gates of hell for accepting a blow job
Which is of course not true ,not even a little bit.
Why not? Before the RW kooks looked for anything and only got a blow job to persecute(with a little entrapment in between) American politics wasnt as polarized as it is today in any recent memory.FDR ,Eisenhower , Kennedy and even Bush Sr were known to have had affairs and mistresses but no one brought it up or fear that they too would be exposed. Well , guess what your RW nutcases broughtit up via Starr and guess what ?. Y'all were exposed for sex AND hypocracy.
Bill Clinton was never prosicuted for anything he did with Monica Lewinsky , he was prosicuted for a sexual harassment he committed before he became president and a purjury he comitted during that prosicution.
The purjury was its own crime , even though it was a lie about Monica Lewinsky , she did not cause the lieing.
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Actually this started with y'all hounding Bill to the gates of hell for accepting a blow job
Which is of course not true ,not even a little bit.
Why not? Before the RW kooks looked for anything and only got a blow job to persecute(with a little entrapment in between) American politics wasnt as polarized as it is today in any recent memory.FDR ,Eisenhower , Kennedy and even Bush Sr were known to have had affairs and mistresses but no one brought it up or fear that they too would be exposed. Well , guess what your RW nutcases broughtit up via Starr and guess what ?. Y'all were exposed for sex AND hypocracy.
Bill Clinton was never prosicuted for anything he did with Monica Lewinsky , he was prosicuted for a sexual harassment he committed before he became president and a purjury he comitted during that prosicution.
The purjury was its own crime , even though it was a lie about Monica Lewinsky , she did not cause the lieing.
Politicians lie? OMG what a shocker. The fact remains that Starr couldnt find what he was looking for . Settled on a minor piccadillo which was not as bad as most of his Repug masters were doing. He made a federal case out of it . Tried to get Bill to lie under oath but really did not succeed.(Remeber you still think Saddam had WMD's just before we invaded.)It has been proven Saddam didnt Bill was not impeached for perjury and was convicted of nothing. Y'all seem to believe in quilty until proven quilty .
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Bill was not impeached for perjury and was convicted of nothing.
Article 1 of the Impeachment passed by the House: "The president provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury regarding the Paula Jones case and his relationship with Monica Lewinsky."
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The purjury was its own crime , even though it was a lie about Monica Lewinsky , she did not cause the lieing.
Monica did not want to testify, and had a perfect right to remain silent, since she had done nothing illegal. The prosecutors, however, lied to her and told he that she had to testify or was looking at a long jail sentence. Of course THEY were not under oath, so they could lie like immense broadloop wall-to wall carpets.
No one gives a sh*t about this anymore. He was impeached and there was no conviction, so just get on with it.
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Bill was not impeached for perjury and was convicted of nothing.
Article 1 of the Impeachment passed by the House: "The president provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury regarding the Paula Jones case and his relationship with Monica Lewinsky."
Oh- I get it. You can threadcrap on me , but I cant on you. Actually I dont mind because you are agin proving what a parsing prevaricator you are. I wa smistaken about the charges not having been brought , but even better, the perjury was the one charge that he was completely exonerated:
On February 19, 1999, the Senate acquitted President Clinton of the two articles of impeachment. Rejecting the perjury charge, ten Republicans and all 45 Democrats voted not guilty. On the obstruction-of-justice charge, the Senate split 50-50. After the verdict was announced, Clinton stated that he was "profoundly sorry" for the burden he had imposed on the Congress and the citizens of the United States.
Impeachment remains the ultimate check on the abuse of power. By providing this power to Congress, the Framers drew on a long tradition of democratic skepticism about leaders. These provisions ensure that leaders will serve the people only so long as they respect the law and their offices. In this sense, the power of impeachment also stands ready to thwart tyranny. Calls are occasionally made for reform that would streamline the impeachment process, but its rare invocation and tradition of service make such reform unlikely.
http://law.jrank.org/pages/7501/Impeachment.html (http://law.jrank.org/pages/7501/Impeachment.html)
Thank you for allowing me to make my case stronger.
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The purjury was its own crime , even though it was a lie about Monica Lewinsky , she did not cause the lieing.
Monica did not want to testify, and had a perfect right to remain silent, since she had done nothing illegal. The prosecutors, however, lied to her and told he that she had to testify or was looking at a long jail sentence. Of course THEY were not under oath, so they could lie like immense broadloop wall-to wall carpets.
No one gives a sh*t about this anymore. He was impeached and there was no conviction, so just get on with it.
I actually love talking about thisbecause it shows what total fools.assholes and hypocrits these Repugs are. Bill royally kicked their ass and they were the ones that suffered the most.
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I think it safe to say that Ami thinks he is more pure of heart and clever of mind than you are, Knutey. That makes him more worthy.
On the other hand, "Bullwinkle Assassinated" is still more humorous than "Gee, guess who this computer game character looks like".
I think you should wheedle Ami less. It really doesn't accomplish anything useful. Ami should realize that although he envisions himself as the Great Inquisitor, at times he is closer to Jabba the Hutt, or at least one of the lesser unnamed Hutts.
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I think it safe to say that Ami thinks he is more pure of heart and clever of mind than you are, Knutey. That makes him more worthy.
On the other hand, "Bullwinkle Assassinated" is still more humorous than "Gee, guess who this computer game character looks like".
I think you should wheedle Ami less. It really doesn't accomplish anything useful. Ami should realize that although he envisions himself as the Great Inquisitor, at times he is closer to Jabba the Hutt, or at least one of the lesser unnamed Hutts.
XO-I respect your opinion and advice. Since I have already made my case about him and in spades I will not wheedle him on threads he initiates but do reserve the right to defend myself and aggressively attack his bullshit on my threads and comments.
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Oh- I get it. You can threadcrap on me , but I cant on you.
Providing a source that your claim is incorrect is not "threadcrapping" - perhaps you should consult an online dictionary for what the term means.
Actually I dont mind because you are agin proving what a parsing prevaricator you are. I wa smistaken about the charges not having been brought , but even better, the perjury was the one charge that he was completely exonerated:
Your claim was that he was not impeached for perjury. However, I proved that he was impeached for perjury. Yes, he was found not guilty on both charges, but he was, actually, impeached for perjury. I'll give you a hint: "impeachment" is not "convicted". Civil servants are "impeached" rather than "indicted" - but the term is similar.
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I've always heard that when someone "gets personal" that is an indicator of exhaustion of reality or realistic rebuttal but that aside, let me answer some of your questions.
Would you think it OK for people to treat her anywhere as nasty as they are treating Palin?
First of all, I would never allow her to get into that situation in the first place. If Mrs. Brass were approached to run as VP and she was at the same level as Palin is now, I would be completely honest with her and beg her not to put herself into that situation. Honesty and humility are a couple of our watchwords and I know she would ask me to be completely honest with her about what I thought about it. And she knows I would be brutally honest.
If I was Palin's husband, I would have bluntly stated that she was not ready.
Is that what the game has become? Disagree with someone politically, and disembowel them?
Disagree with someone politically? Are you kidding me? That is not why we are "disemboweling" her. She is dangerously unqualified for the job. This is like asking someone who builds model planes to fly a 747. Sure, they understand lift and drag and how it affects the plane and so forth but they don't know anything the controls control or anything!
WTF kind of country has this become?
You should know, you and Bush created it.
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Let's try this again.
Would you think it OK for people to treat her anywhere as nasty as they are treating Palin?
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Is that what the game has become? Disagree with someone politically, and disembowel them?
Disagree with someone politically? Are you kidding me? That is not why we are "disemboweling" her. She is dangerously unqualified for the job. This is like asking someone who builds model planes to fly a 747. Sure, they understand lift and drag and how it affects the plane and so forth but they don't know anything the controls control or anything!
What makes Sara Palins sad lack of experience more important than Barak Obama's sad lack of experience?
I like it fine when the anti Palin croud states that a lot of experience is necessacery , because McCain has that in spades , Obama , if he is marginally better in this department is still drug down by his own boat anchor nature.
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Obama , if he is marginally better in this department is still drug down by his own boat anchor nature.
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He should have chosen a whiter father?
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He should have chosen a whiter father?
or a wed teen mother?
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Let's try this again.
Would you think it OK for people to treat her anywhere as nasty as they are treating Palin?
Let's set the record straight.
Palin is NOT being treated nasty. McCain chose her and it was a mistake to choose her just as it would be a mistake for Obama to choose my wife. It's so funny that you guys rant and rave when I say anyone can learn to fly a jet or be a surgeon but they you are OH SO willing to hand the keys to the Free World over to a woman who can't name another SCOTUS decision other than Roe V Wade and then it all compounded by the FACT that for MONTHS and MONTHS, you have been throwing handfuls of crap at Obama for allegedly not having any "experience". I mean, the hypocrisy and sheer gall is beyond words for me.
Palin is simply failing. She is not even capable of bullshitting correctly.
If they get her down to Sedona and re-hab her and she'll come out swinging on Thursday and won't have to keep playing the VERY weak "gotcha journalism" card.
In today's world, our leaders should be able to speak lucidly on nearly any subject or at the very least have the common fucking sense to say, "I don't know."
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Obama , if he is marginally better in this department is still drug down by his own boat anchor nature.
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He should have chosen a whiter father?
You have a bad case of one track mind.
Being Black is one of BHO's good features, but to me it does not trump all other features.
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Palin is NOT being treated nasty.
Really?
The whole Trig is Bristols love child meme prominently featured on Kos and astroturfed to all the other dead nigger gator meat lefty blogosphere was the welcome wagon?
The whole bimbo thing because she entered a beauty pageant to hopefully get a college scholarship.
The whole her son was a druggie and that is why he joined the army thing, even though Obama pleaded with his nasty fuck supporters to leave the kids out of it.
The whole Bristol is a wild child slut even though Obama was born into the same circumstances and raised by his "failure as parents" grandparents.
Who are you kidding.
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Palin is NOT being treated nasty.
Really?
The whole Trig is Bristols love child meme prominently featured on Kos and astroturfed to all the other dead nigger gator meat lefty blogosphere was the welcome wagon?
The whole bimbo thing because she entered a beauty pageant to hopefully get a college scholarship.
The whole her son was a druggie and that is why he joined the army thing, even though Obama pleaded with his nasty fuck supporters to leave the kids out of it.
The whole Bristol is a wild child slut even though Obama was born into the same circumstances and raised by his "failure as parents" grandparents.
Who are you kidding.
Who are you kidding?!?!?
Are you seriously saying that no candidate in the history of the US has never had all their private secrets divulged in the last 40 years or so?
I've never even heard that thing about her son being a "druggie".
And I don't remember ever hearing or reading about Bristol being a "slut".
These are all "rumors" and the right certainly had all their (I'm sure oh, so admirable and legitimate in your eyes) rumor-mongering about Obama being a muslim. About Obama not being an American citizen. About Obama's family being Al Quada.
Gimme a break with whining and gnashing of teeth about Palin being treated "nastily".
There are morons in this world who will do and say anything in a political race. (Note how Rich constantly posts.)
That sting you are feeling is pride f'ing with you. You were sold a lie (again) by those you thought you could trust (god only knows why since they've lied to you over and over for the last eight years). You were told that Palin represented all the stuff that is good about the right. Gun-totin', pro-lifin', church-goin', corruption-rootin', economy-reformin', de-regulatin', oil-drillin' rootin' tootin' hockey mom with a sense of humor and a "go-get-'em" atty-tood.
All the while, those of us without the Koolaid coursin' through our veins were shocked and dumbfounded how those of the loyal opposition that we (unbelievable but true nonetheless) have A LOT of respect for could be so taken in by someone we could so obviously see as simply a gimmick to use to dominate the news cycle.
And when she goes out and proves us oh, so right, you take it personal and want to know why she is being treated to nastily? After 8 years of Bush denigrated and eviscerating even a hint of dissent (with your consent and support)?
Really, REALLY? How dare you.
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Palin is NOT being treated nasty.
Really?
The whole Trig is Bristols love child meme prominently featured on Kos and astroturfed to all the other dead nigger gator meat lefty blogosphere was the welcome wagon?
The whole bimbo thing because she entered a beauty pageant to hopefully get a college scholarship.
The whole her son was a druggie and that is why he joined the army thing, even though Obama pleaded with his nasty fuck supporters to leave the kids out of it.
The whole Bristol is a wild child slut even though Obama was born into the same circumstances and raised by his "failure as parents" grandparents.
Who are you kidding.
Who are you kidding?!?!?
Are you seriously saying that no candidate in the history of the US has never had all their private secrets divulged in the last 40 years or so?
I've never even heard that thing about her son being a "druggie".
And I don't remember ever hearing or reading about Bristol being a "slut".
These are all "rumors" and the right certainly had all their (I'm sure oh, so admirable and legitimate in your eyes) rumor-mongering about Obama being a muslim. About Obama not being an American citizen. About Obama's family being Al Quada.
Gimme a break with whining and gnashing of teeth about Palin being treated "nastily".
There are morons in this world who will do and say anything in a political race. (Note how Rich constantly posts.)
That sting you are feeling is pride f'ing with you. You were sold a lie (again) by those you thought you could trust (god only knows why since they've lied to you over and over for the last eight years). You were told that Palin represented all the stuff that is good about the right. Gun-totin', pro-lifin', church-goin', corruption-rootin', economy-reformin', de-regulatin', oil-drillin' rootin' tootin' hockey mom with a sense of humor and a "go-get-'em" atty-tood.
All the while, those of us without the Koolaid coursin' through our veins were shocked and dumbfounded how those of the loyal opposition that we (unbelievable but true nonetheless) have A LOT of respect for could be so taken in by someone we could so obviously see as simply a gimmick to use to dominate the news cycle.
And when she goes out and proves us oh, so right, you take it personal and want to know why she is being treated to nastily? After 8 years of Bush denigrated and eviscerating even a hint of dissent (with your consent and support)?
Really, REALLY? How dare you.
Do you really think that BHO being Muslim is just as bad?
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>Do you really think that BHO being Muslim is just as bad?<
Plane you cant possibly be this naive. If he were a Muslim he would have no chance.
Having slut daughters never hurt the Bushidiot
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It is stupid to assume that everyone who favors Obama is responsible for every bad thing anyone says about Palin.
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It is stupid to assume that everyone who favors Obama is responsible for every bad thing anyone says about Palin.
I did not realize that Daily Kos was a McCain site.
It is stupid to assume that when the slurs originate on sites endorsing Obama that the posters do not favor Obama, and when the slur is repeated on every other Obama endorsing site on the blogospere one would be stupid to assume that this is not a planned action of the noise machine.
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Who are you kidding?!?!?
Are you seriously saying that no candidate in the history of the US has never had all their private secrets divulged in the last 40 years or so?
No
I am questioning your judgment when you say Palin is NOT being treated nastily.
She is. You admit it when you go to the happens to everyone defense.
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How about that latest SNL skit on Biden. Oh wait, there hasn't been one
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Who are you kidding?!?!?
Are you seriously saying that no candidate in the history of the US has never had all their private secrets divulged in the last 40 years or so?
No
I am questioning your judgment when you say Palin is NOT being treated nastily.
She is. You admit it when you go to the happens to everyone defense.
Wrong. She is NOT being treated nastily. She is being treated NORMALLY and she is withering under the heat. Maybe she should get out of the kitchen.
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Your definitions of what's "normal" in a campaign, and "withering", are quire intriguing. Care to site how she is "withering"? Was water thrown on her, and she's now hiding under her black hat?
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So you would have no problem if Obama was referred to as the bastard son of a whore?
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It is stupid to assume that everyone who favors Obama is responsible for every bad thing anyone says about Palin.
That goes both ways , I am certain that a number of fairmined people support BHO , unfortunately there are some otherwise that tend to stand in frount.
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How about that latest SNL skit on Biden. Oh wait, there hasn't been one
That would be because Biden is not funny. There has been no Biden hype. Biden has had his passport for decades. His daughter did not get knocked up, there are no bridges he was for before he was against them.
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How about that latest SNL skit on Biden. Oh wait, there hasn't been one
That would be because Biden is not funny. There has been no Biden hype. Biden has had his passport for decades. His daughter did not get knocked up, there are no bridges he was for before he was against them.
SNL doesn't know how to make Biden funny?
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Biden Gaffe; Asked Wheelchair Bound Senator To Stand
Hmmmmm....
Perhaps this humor is too gross for SNL.
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No, it isn't funny.
Being a ditz is funny.
Being a cripple is not funny.
Making a social gaffe because you were unaware of a cripple being a cripple is also not funny.
Use your imagination and construct a funny parody of this for SNL and you will seewhy this was not done. There is no way to make it funny. You are being cruel to two people at once.
On the other hand, making fun of some ditz who says she knows all about foreign policy (despite getting her first passport after living in a noncontiguous part of the US for 44 years) because one tiny insignificant Alaskan island is near another tiny isolated insignificant Russian island IS the sort of thing a satirical skit was made for.
I bet Sarah Palin knows more about Santa Claus 'cause she lives so close to the North Pole. I bet she has close personal friends named Dasher, Dancer, Prancer and Vixen. I bet she's met Rudolph.
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On the other hand, making fun of some ditz who says she knows all about foreign policy (despite getting her first passport after living in a noncontiguous part of the US for 44 years)
What does a passport have to do with anything. I have never had a passport in my life, yet i traveled Europe extensively.
She never said she knows all about foreign policy. But she has been involved in multinational negotiations.
So have i for that matter. BFD. The bigger question is has Obama? If so what did he negotiate?
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No, the diversionary question is "what did Obama negotiate?".
We're talking about Palin.
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What does a passport have to do with anything. I have never had a passport in my life, yet i traveled Europe extensively.
Try it now.
She never said she knows all about foreign policy. But she has been involved in multinational negotiations.
With Canadians, or was that a visit to the iHOP? *snicker*
And forget about introducing Obama in this. We are talking Palin and how she was discriminated against.
The main discrimination against her is that McCain & Co. keeps her away from the press nearly 24/7. Clearly, they know that her foot desperately seeks to insert itself in her mouth
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No, the diversionary question is "what did Obama negotiate?".
We're talking about Palin.
Please. You are saying Palin is unqualified to ascend to the Presidency if McCain croaks.
Obama is applying for the job of President NOW.
What multinational negotiations has Obama been involved in? It is a simple and valid question.
If it is pertinent to Palins qualifications it sure is pertinent to Obama's qualifications.
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Stay on the subject.
Palin is unqualified.
There is a major difference between someone with a BA from Idaho and someone with an advanced degree in constitutional law.
Obama is qualified. Plus, he does not have McCain's nasty temper and tendency to pull wacko stunts. He actually thought the Vietnam War was a good idea. He STILL thinks that.
NOT what we need. NOT what ANYONE needs. Not in this century.
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Stay on the subject.
You stay on the subject.
The subject is foreign policy experience. Palin has been involved in multinational negotiations, Obama , judging by the dirge of examples from those who should know him best, has not.
Using that criteria, which you and Brass seem to think is critical, Palin comes out ahead.
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Total and utter bullshit. negotiating with a Canadian pipeline company is hardly the stuff of international treaties.
You are deluded if you think she is competent.
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Total and utter bullshit. negotiating with a Canadian pipeline company is hardly the stuff of international treaties.
Ummm I believe i said contract, not treaty. Your competency in reading for content seems to be questionable.
Now does Obama have anything to match even a piddly multinational pipeline deal? Perhaps he had a lemonade stand in Indonesia? Anything, Buehler?
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Does Canada really count as foreign in most of our minds?
Freindly familiar foreign and near , but perhaps too familiar to really count as truely foreign.
Haveing a long border with Canada might make most Alaskans more familiar with foreign relations than say the tipical Georgian , or it would if Canada really counted as an independant nation.
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Canada is an independent nation, but the economies of both Canada and Mexico are very heavily intertwined with that of the US. Canadian business deals are made in English: no translators required. Stuff is translated into French after the deal is approved. The business conventions are based on English common law in both countries. Other than wigs on court officials and words like solicitor and barrister, the legal system is identical.
Palin participated in the initial negotiation of a gas pipeline contract with a Canadian company, which was likely controlled by US interests. Her role was largely ceremonial. It's not like she was negotiating a weapons treaty with the Russians.
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Palin participated in the initial negotiation of a gas pipeline contract with a Canadian company, which was likely controlled by US interests. Her role was largely ceremonial. It's not like she was negotiating a weapons treaty with the Russians.
And even that, is more than Obama has done.
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Obama managed to get himself nominated as a presidential candidate. That is more than Palin ever do. Or could do. He managed to get a lot of legislation passed inthe IL legislature, despite it being controlled by the Republicans. That's more than Sarah Palin can or has done, too.
Unlike Palin, Obama does not require handlers who keep the press away, should an attack of hoof-in-mouth come on. LOok, the best evidence of her incompetence is that she is not allowed to make her own schedule. Every answer she gives to anything is written and prepared in advance.
In short, I see no reason to trust Palin when her own party refuses to trust her.
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Considering that you are slamming Palin on her foreign policy experience, shouldn't we be looking at Obama's foreign policy experience?
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He managed to get a lot of legislation passed inthe IL legislature, despite it being controlled by the Republicans.
When he was in the state senate, both state houses were controlled by Democrats.
Where do you get the "despite it being controlled by the Republicans" bit from? Illinois has been a majority Democrat state for many years...
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shouldn't we be looking at Obama's foreign policy experience?
NO, we should be looking at the fact that McCain still thinks Viet Nam and Iraq were great places to invade, wonderful opportunities to piss away fortunes that could have been spent on fellow Americans and fine places for American troops to get killed and maimed in.
McCain is a warmongering asshole. If he lives we get more war, if he dies we get Isabel Peron II. Republicans suck and have for a very, very long time.
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NO,
Why not. Apparently it is an important criteria for a VP, one would think it doubly important for the top seat.
Don't worry. Won't take long to examine Obama's foreign policy credentials.
It is a very short list , with just the title on it.
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McCain's credentials seem to indicate that doing the WRONG thing (ie mongering futile and unnecessary wars) are at the top of his list.
The world is predisposed to see the election of Obama as a positive thing. "Look", people will say, "The Americans are no longer racist warmongering assholes, let's see what this Obama has to say."
Electing McCain would elicit "Oh, shit! don't those Americans ever learn anything? More damned stupid warmongering thieving corrupt richguy-worshipping Republicans! Don;t they ever learn anything? If McCain shows up for dinner, hide the good silver!"
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Look
It's real simple.
You guys are slamming Palin for her lack of foreign policy experience because she MIGHT end up president.
Meanwhile your guy has less experience than she has and it is his election to lose.
Having said that, your guy might be a calmer more reflective guy than McCain whe it comes to foreign policy, but if Palin were called to serve, i'm pretty sure she would be better at main street kitchen table issues.
And I have a strong feeling that the pendulum will swing towards the domestic in the next 4 to 8 years.
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And I have a strong feeling that the pendulum will swing towards the domestic in the next 4 to 8 years.
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I can't imagine why it would. The oil we need is under their sand. Even if there were a major effort to switch from petroleum, and the GOP is in the pockets of the 'drill baby drill' bunch, it won't happen in the next 8 years. So we are stuck with being a part of the global economy. Japan has had to do this forever.
The election will be this November, not in four to eight years.
Palin and McCain won't be elected based on four to eight years.
Face it, the GOP looks like sh*t and fell in it because of the past eight years. They COULD have run McCain in 2000 or 2004, but they stuck with the stubborn ignoramus because he was more compliant than McCain who was maybe 10% Maverick and has since hugged Juniorbush and made nice with him. McCain has let his towering ambition overpower his common sense. He's done this before, when he refused to see that Vietnam was a waste to be abandoned. He saw it as a sport to be won. Go Team!!
He did it again when he supported the corrupt, drunken and inappropriately named John Tower.
Palin is a ditz. She will do what the party bosses tell her. She has already abandoned her anti-corruption campaign for fame & fortune.
Palin and McCain are not very wise about the economy, and perhaps not wise enough to choose advisers who are. Selecting advisers is far more important than expertise. But you have to know something about the economy to select good advisers.
Juniorbush had Colin Powell, an excellent adviser, but he rejected him and then used his patriotism to turn him into a shameful whore.
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Selecting advisers is far more important than expertise.
I saw this same point made quite well in Michavellis "The Prince" , it does seem to be true.
So how wise does one prove oneself if one picks Senator Biden as a running mate?
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Biden is sure to be a far better adviser than Palin. He knows more about foreign affairs than the other three put together. He wasn't the flashiest choice, but he is certainly not a bad choice, and naming him was definitely not a stunt.
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Palin and McCain are not very wise about the economy, and perhaps not wise enough to choose advisers who are. Selecting advisers is far more important than expertise. But you have to know something about the economy to select good advisers.
And who's on Obama's team as his cheif economic advisor? Oh yea, former Fannie Mae CEO, Franklin Raines. More of that great *snicker* Obama judgement on display for all to see
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Selecting advisers is far more important than expertise.
I saw this same point made quite well in Michavellis "The Prince" , it does seem to be true.
So how wise does one prove oneself if one picks Senator Biden as a running mate?
Even more so ,McCain picking the retarded Palin.
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Whoa! The bailout is all about healthcare and job creation, even though it does make me sick, like everyone else, and increased trade and more job creation.
It's like the Barbie where you asked her a question about your sister being so mean and pulled her string and she told you all about Ken and her groovy new threads.
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Whoa! The bailout is all about healthcare and job creation, even though it does make me sick, like everyone else, and increased trade and more job creation.
One then has to wonder why Katie mentioned health care and job creation in her question if she didn't want to hear about it?
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She said why piss away the money on Wall Street, which has nothing to do with health care and job creation INSTEAD OF spending it on those things?
Palin's answer might make a D- on an Econ 101 exam at a reputable college at best.
She had no idea of any relationship between the bailout and healthcare and job creation.She was just spouting talking points from her prep classes.
Please, you are smart enough to realize that she was incredibly lame and ditzy here.
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Whoa! The bailout is all about healthcare and job creation, even though it does make me sick, like everyone else, and increased trade and more job creation.
One then has to wonder why Katie mentioned health care and job creation in her question if she didn't want to hear about it?
Maybe she wanted to trap her into looking stupid? Well , if so, she succeeded nicely.
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That you don't understand her answer doesn't prove that the answer is unintelligent.
What I amn wondering about is the convolution of the question.
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That you don't understand her answer doesn't prove that the answer is unintelligent.
What I amn wondering about is the convolution of the question.
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The question is simple.
Why pay bazillions to a few banks who caused the mess, when you could pay the people who are really hurting?
A smart person, asked an unfair question, will explain that the question is unfair.
She didn't do this, and gave am answer that was a mere assortment of talking points: paying the banks for bad loans does not create jobs and will not pay for health care.
Paying off an unemployed person's loan will not give them a job. She could have said this, but did not.
Her answer was ditzy.
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That you don't understand her answer doesn't prove that the answer is unintelligent.
What I amn wondering about is the convolution of the question.
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The question is simple.
Why pay bazillions to a few banks who caused the mess, when you could pay the people who are really hurting?
A smart person, asked an unfair question, will explain that the question is unfair.
She didn't do this, and gave am answer that was a mere assortment of talking points: paying the banks for bad loans does not create jobs and will not pay for health care.
Paying off an unemployed person's loan will not give them a job. She could have said this, but did not.
Her answer was ditzy.
You simplified the question nicely , but you didn't do as well simplyfieing the answer.
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you didn't do as well simplyfieing the answer.
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How is that my job? Palin is the one who tried, and failed, to answer the question. Unlike in the debate, she had virtually unlimited time, but she did not understand diddly about economics, and therefore repeated what she was coached to say about job creation and health care. Everyone is for more jobs, everyone is for healthcare for themselves.
It was Palin's job to simplify the answer, and her answer did not make any logical sense. She said that the Bailout should be signed so everyone could have healthcare and jobs would be created. That isn't the purpose of the bailout. Eventually, if it is not signed, more people will be thrown out of work and/or will find healthcare unaffordable, but it is a bailout to remove bad loans from idiots who should never have granted them and is not a healthcare or a job creation bill at all.
That's like saying eat your spinach in February so Santa won't forget you. Children should not drink coffee because it will stunt their growth or make then darker (that is a common thing Black people say to their kids).
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you didn't do as well simplyfieing the answer.
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How is that my job? Palin is the one who tried, and failed, to answer the question. Unlike in the debate, she had virtually unlimited time, but she did not understand diddly about economics, and therefore repeated what she was coached to say about job creation and health care. Everyone is for more jobs, everyone is for healthcare for themselves.
It was Palin's job to simplify the answer, and her answer did not make any logical sense. She said that the Bailout should be signed so everyone could have healthcare and jobs would be created. That isn't the purpose of the bailout. Eventually, if it is not signed, more people will be thrown out of work and/or will find healthcare unaffordable, but it is a bailout to remove bad loans from idiots who should never have granted them and is not a healthcare or a job creation bill at all.
That's like saying eat your spinach in February so Santa won't forget you. Children should not drink coffee because it will stunt their growth or make then darker (that is a common thing Black people say to their kids).
I think she did answer the question , but then she went on and on after she could have quit.
I wonder how Domer is doing these days?
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I think she did answer the question , but then she went on and on after she could have quit.
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Did she, really? I agree that her 'answer' was wordy, but it was more a smokescreen than an answer.
Here is what she really said:
She said that the bill should be passed.
She claimed that passing it would somehow inexplicably create jobs and affordable health care.
In no way did she explain how this would work.
She said nothing about spending $700 trillion on the citizens of the US INSTEAD of turning this money over to the Sec. of the Treasury to use at his own discretion, which was understood NOT to be healthcare and job creation.
So she sort of answered it.
Almost.
Well, kinda.
The fact that you thought she answered it would make her handlers proud.
Their chests would puff out like those of choice squabs.
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She said that the bill should be passed.
She claimed that passing it would somehow inexplicably create jobs and affordable health care.
She said nothing about spending $700 trillion on the citizens of the US.
So she sort of answered it.
Almost.
Well, kinda.
It is possible that the bailout willhead off a recession or depression , if she beleives that it will then she is talking about the harm of a recession that is by this measure avoidable.
Unemployment cheifly , but all those other effects can show up with a market crash and unemployment spike.
If she were to mention all of the potential downside of a recession she would have been giveing a Clintonesque very long speech.
I would advise her to be more breif , perhaps we can agree on that , but Kathy Couric asked a question nearly as long as that answer , that wasn't needed either.
But was the criticism really that the answer was too long or that it didn't answer the question?
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It is possible that the bailout willhead off a recession or depression , if she beleives that it will then she is talking about the harm of a recession that is by this measure avoidable.
Unemployment cheifly , but all those other effects can show up with a market crash and unemployment spike.
If she were to mention all of the potential downside of a recession she would have been giveing a Clintonesque very long speech.
I would advise her to be more breif , perhaps we can agree on that , but Kathy Couric asked a question nearly as long as that answer , that wasn't needed either.
But was the criticism really that the answer was too long or that it didn't answer the question?
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It didn;t answer the question. To answer it well, more, not fewer, words would have been needed. The financial bailout is complicated, and hard to explain even by economists.
If she meant that by heading off a depression, healthcare and job creation will be more possible than they otherwise ight be, she could have said that. But she didn't.
Her answer seemed long because it rambled all over the place without ever answering the question. It contained two positive statements" job creation and healthcare, and that made it sound positive.
What we all need to realize here is that there is Sarah Palin, and Sarah Palin, the Disney movie, and we are being sold the latter.