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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Michael Tee on October 22, 2008, 01:35:43 PM

Title: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 22, 2008, 01:35:43 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/palin-clothes-spending-ha_n_136740.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/palin-clothes-spending-ha_n_136740.html)

Article compares $120,000 spent on Sarah's wardrobe with the median salary of Joe the Plumber.  Four American plumbers working all year couldn't collectively pay for Sarah's wardrobe if they gave it every cent they earned.

As the article suggests, this is going to have an impact on Sarah's attempts to cozy up to the working class as just one of them.  The top half of the ticket has already pretty much blown it with, "How many homes do I have?  I'll have to let my staff look into that and get back to you."

But Obama and Michelle are the elitists.  They're "out of touch."  Yeah, sure.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 22, 2008, 01:39:31 PM
How much does Obama spend on clothes?
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 22, 2008, 01:45:13 PM
<<How much does Obama spend on clothes?>>

When you find out, let me know.  Meantime, more than four times the annual median salary of an American plumber sounds wildly excessive to me and certainly puts all this talk of Joe the Plumber, Joe Six-Pack and the "elite" Obamas is beginning to look more and more ridiculous.  Even the Republican base must be getting pretty pissed off by now.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 22, 2008, 02:02:42 PM
When you find out, let me know.

Well, he wears $5,000 suits. In addition, he's been quoted as saying that he buys his suits "five at a time" so that he always has extras. That doesn't include shirts, ties, cuff links, shoes, etc.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Brassmask on October 22, 2008, 03:16:24 PM
How much does Obama spend on clothes?

More importantly, has the campaign bought them for him?

The reason folks are talking about this is for no other reason than it is not in keeping with Palin's image as a "hockey mom" or a "WalMart mom".

What has happened, it appears to me, is the campaign wanted her to look great and to those who run the campaign, "looking great" means Neiman Marcus and the like. 

It is indicative of the "not thinking before acting" problem the whole McCain campaign has suffered from since the beginning.  They've had so much that has pretty much backfired.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 22, 2008, 03:36:15 PM
<<The reason folks are talking about this is for no other reason than it is not in keeping with Palin's image as a "hockey mom" or a "WalMart mom".>>

Exactly.  Palin has a problem because she pretended to be a "hockey mom" and the wife of Joe Six-Pack the First Dude.  Her wardrobe expenditures are somewhat at odds with her selected image, giving her followers the suspicion that she's just another phony.

Obama and Michelle never pretended to be Mr. & Mrs. Joe Six-Pack so they don't have Miss Congeniality's problem.  It's an authenticity thing.

BTW, five suits at a time means the guy doesn't have to shop very often.  They oughtta last about ten years.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 22, 2008, 03:41:44 PM
BTW, five suits at a time means the guy doesn't have to shop very often.  They oughtta last about ten years.

Yeah, if he wore the same suits every day; he doesn't.

Exactly.  Palin has a problem because she pretended to be a "hockey mom" and the wife of Joe Six-Pack the First Dude.  Her wardrobe expenditures are somewhat at odds with her selected image, giving her followers the suspicion that she's just another phony.

More likely her wardrobe was typical Walmart clothing and the campaign advisors suggested she get fancier clothes.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 22, 2008, 04:59:32 PM
The average American does not get paid any $120,000 per year. It's more like $40,000. One third of what the Republican handlers think Palin needs to spend for clothes.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 22, 2008, 05:02:38 PM
The average American does not get paid any $120,000 per year. It's more like $40,000. One third of what the Republican handlers think Palin needs to spend for clothes.

And Obama spends $25,000 per shopping trip for suits, plus more for shirts and accessories. Big whoop.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: _JS on October 22, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
This is absolutely a non-issue as much as Michelle Obama's diet is a non-issue.

Of course the GOP is going to put Governor Palin in some very nice clothes. Let's face it, like her politics or not, she is a beautiful woman. In this day and age both male and female politicians in high profile campaigns are given "image consultants" whose job it is to make the candidates look good on television and in person. Part of that is doing exactly what Hollywood stars and anyone else who uses their image to sell themselves or a product has to do - and that is purchase expensive clothing.

If anything, blame the current ridiculous system and the fact that people wouldn't vote for someone in jeans and a t-shirt, but it certainly is not Sarah Palin's fault.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Plane on October 22, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20081022/pl_ynews/ynews_pl106 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20081022/pl_ynews/ynews_pl106)


The experience thing , everyone knows that you can't have an inexperienced person become vice president.

an Inexperienced President on the other hand is alright.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: richpo64 on October 22, 2008, 06:37:45 PM
I think Joe dresses very well.

(http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/692f18198a_ltpJoePlumberA101608.jpg)
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 22, 2008, 08:31:43 PM
<<Of course the GOP is going to put Governor Palin in some very nice clothes. Let's face it, like her politics or not, she is a beautiful woman. In this day and age both male and female politicians in high profile campaigns are given "image consultants" whose job it is to make the candidates look good on television and in person.>>

Be that as it may, it is not Barack and Michelle who are trying to pass themselves off as regular folks, it is Sarah and John ("Hey how many houses DO I have, anyway?") McCain who are trying to pull off that little act, and it seems to be wearing a little thin.  Plumbers' wives don't have "image consultants" and they sure as hell don't have Sarah's clothing budget either.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: sirs on October 22, 2008, 08:39:09 PM
Apparently Tee's expecting McCain & Palin to dress in levis and checkered tee-shirts      ::)    This is such a non issue, it's pathetic
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: richpo64 on October 22, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
Can you point out exactly how McCain/Palin are trying to "pass themselves off" as regular folks? It seems to me that they are defending someone for being "regular," not claiming to be so.

Then there's the fact that the Obama machine is investigating Joe. Where do they get off? He's a private citizen. Is this Soviet Russian? Can people show up on your lawn, ask you a question, and persecute you if you answer incorrectly?

Welcome to liberal America.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: sirs on October 22, 2008, 08:43:03 PM
Wait until the re-implimentation of the anti 1st amendment (un)Fairness Doctrine
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: richpo64 on October 22, 2008, 08:47:20 PM
>>Wait until the re-implimentation of the anti 1st amendment (un)Fairness Doctrine<<

Of all the things people are saying will happen, that is the second worst of all. the first will be Barry's choices for the Supreme Court, the assualt on free speech will be a close second. I do think though that if Nazi Pelosi and her little trolls try to implement the "Fairness Doctrine" it will be tied up in the courts for what I hope is a long time before the people demand it be done away with forever. The First Amendment isn't just for the New York Times. It's for Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Alan Colmes too.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Brassmask on October 22, 2008, 08:48:08 PM
Can you point out exactly how McCain/Palin are trying to "pass themselves off" as regular folks? It seems to me that they are defending someone for being "regular," not claiming to be so.

Then there's the fact that the Obama machine is investigating Joe. Where do they get off? He's a private citizen. Is this Soviet Russian? Can people show up on your lawn, ask you a question, and persecute you if you answer incorrectly?

Welcome to liberal America.

 ::)

How is it that you missed the 5 billion times Palin has referred to herself as "just an average hockey mom"?

And I'd love some kind of source on how "the Obama machine is investigating Joe".

Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Brassmask on October 22, 2008, 08:49:22 PM
Wait until the re-implimentation of the anti 1st amendment (un)Fairness Doctrine

Ooooo, I see that someone's been listening to either Rush or that Bachmann chick who said that Obama should be investigated by some kind of new Un-American activities committee...
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Brassmask on October 22, 2008, 08:50:57 PM
This is absolutely a non-issue as much as Michelle Obama's diet is a non-issue.

Of course the GOP is going to put Governor Palin in some very nice clothes. Let's face it, like her politics or not, she is a beautiful woman. In this day and age both male and female politicians in high profile campaigns are given "image consultants" whose job it is to make the candidates look good on television and in person. Part of that is doing exactly what Hollywood stars and anyone else who uses their image to sell themselves or a product has to do - and that is purchase expensive clothing.

If anything, blame the current ridiculous system and the fact that people wouldn't vote for someone in jeans and a t-shirt, but it certainly is not Sarah Palin's fault.


I agree, JS.  When I heard them talking about it on Scarborough this morning, I was like, so what?  They dressed her up like every other Caribou Barbie.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: richpo64 on October 22, 2008, 08:59:13 PM
>>How is it that you missed the 5 billion times Palin has referred to herself as "just an average hockey mom"?<<

I don;t recall her claiming to be an "average" hockey mom. It's part of her biography sure. By the way, I'm not the one claiming Obama put himself forward as the average guy. I'm disputing Mikey's claim that McCain ever did. I will say that democrats think they're leaders are for and of the average guy. that of course has always been false.

However, who do you think is putting out the information on Joe's license, his tax lean, and his middle name? Granted, the press is doing some of it, but the Barry Machine is doing the lions share.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Brassmask on October 22, 2008, 09:17:53 PM
>>How is it that you missed the 5 billion times Palin has referred to herself as "just an average hockey mom"?<<

I don;t recall her claiming to be an "average" hockey mom. It's part of her biography sure. By the way, I'm not the one claiming Obama put himself forward as the average guy. I'm disputing Mikey's claim that McCain ever did. I will say that democrats think they're leaders are for and of the average guy. that of course has always been false.

However, who do you think is putting out the information on Joe's license, his tax lean, and his middle name? Granted, the press is doing some of it, but the Barry Machine is doing the lions share.

Admittedly, I haven't really been following this thread closely so if I misinterpreted your position or statements, apologies on that.

I don't recall ever hearing McCain call himself an "average" guy.  But he's said a lot of things that turned out to be window-dressings.  I remember for a while he tried to imply that Obama was an elitist.

As for Obama being an average guy, I would say that he is not a regular Joe any more.  He made some money as an attorney and has a nice house and a nice vehicle now but back in the day, he was very much the average Joe and still retains some of that air.

He and his wife were saddled with thousands of dollars in school loans.  I relate to that since my wife is down 40 large in that way.  Just today, I saw a photo on DKos of him with his feet up and his shoes had holes in the soles that had been re-done.  That's pretty average Joe to me.

If I had to choose between Obama or McCain regarding "average Joe-ness", I'd pick Obama hands down.

I don't know any average Joes named John Sidney McCain III but then I don't know any named Barack Hussein Obama either.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: sirs on October 22, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
Wait until the re-implimentation of the anti 1st amendment (un)Fairness Doctrine

Ooooo, I see that someone's been listening to either Rush or that Bachmann chick who said that Obama should be investigated by some kind of new Un-American activities committee...

What the frell??  Is this the most obtuse deflection effort on record to date?
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 23, 2008, 08:05:18 AM
<<I don;t recall her claiming to be an "average" hockey mom. It's part of her biography sure. >>


She's a self-described "hockey mom," a pit bull in lipstick.  There's no reason why a multi-millionaire can't also be a hockey mom, but there are millions of hockey moms who aren't multi-millionaires, and I think her message was really that she's just an ordinary everyday mom like millions of others who took their kids to hockey practice and games.  The statement was made, and received, as an indication of her ordinariness, of self-identification with the masses.  The masses, if they are female, do NOT spend $120K on their wardrobe.  Ever.  Which is why the disclosure was damaging.  It damaged Sarah's pretensions to be something she is obviously not.

<< By the way, I'm not the one claiming Obama put himself forward as the average guy. I'm disputing Mikey's claim that McCain ever did. >>   

McCain - - or his campaign, same thing - - launched a very public campaign against the "elitism" of Barack and Michelle.  The necessary inference is that McCain and Cindy are just regular folks.  You don't accuse your opponent of being something that you are in fact yourself.  At least an honest politician doesn't.  The public has come to expect, as a matter of honesty, than when Mr. Pot calls Mr. Kettle black, that Mr. Pot is himself has to be clean in order to call the other fellow black.  When mud is found on the mudslinger, the embarrassment is the mudslinger's, not the person's he tried to besmirch.

For McCain or his campaign to accuse the Obamas of "elitism" was foolish and hypocritical, and of course it backfired badly when McCain himself had to admit he didn't know how many houses he had.

<<However, who do you think is putting out the information on Joe's license, his tax lean, and his middle name? Granted, the press is doing some of it, but the Barry Machine is doing the lions share.>>

How do you figure that?  Just asking.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 23, 2008, 08:36:18 AM
The masses, if they are female, do NOT spend $120K on their wardrobe. Ever.

If someone took my wife to a few stores and said "pick out whatever you like, we got the tab" I'm sure she could accumulate $120K pretty fast. As would every female I've ever gone shopping with.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 23, 2008, 09:13:25 AM
However, who do you think is putting out the information on Joe's license, his tax lean, and his middle name? Granted, the press is doing some of it, but the Barry Machine is doing the lions share.

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The press is doing ALL of the investigating, Obama's campaign is just repeating what they found. The entire Joe schtick is totally bogus, anyway. Joe has no chance of buying out his boss doing the next four years, Obama's tax plan has to get passed through Congress, so this is a highly speculative event based on bogus assumptions.

Mostly Obama is talking about how to get out of the godawful mess Juniorbush allowed to happen with the economy, as he should be, because that is infinitely more important than Joe the unPlumber.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: BT on October 23, 2008, 12:05:35 PM
Mikey,

You are backing the wrong horse in this story.

As Ami and JS said the RNC bought Sarah the clothes.

And how many times have you seen Obama pushing a shopping cart at a grocery while beong stalked by reporters as she was the evening of the announcement of her selection.

I'm pretty sure she knows the current price of a gallon of milk and a box of cheerios and or the store brand of same.


Sounds like a normal hockey mom - Wal-mart shopper to me.

My favorite line from this entire silly season is from some dem wag who said Palin isn't a woman she is a Republican, and if anything is more telling about the ideological rigidness of some on the left i don't know what it could be.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 23, 2008, 12:42:02 PM
<<As Ami and JS said the RNC bought Sarah the clothes. >>

Woooah!!   That's not gonna help you at all, BT, it takes you out of the frying pan into the fire.  Let's grant Ami's premise that she IS just Everywoman granted the right to shop at will on somebody else's dime (and duck immediately behind steel-plated garbage can lids as the Feminist Political Correctness Brigade opens up with everything they've got) now you have to defend Sarah the Scourge of Earmarks and the Bridge to Nowhere, hyper-vigilant steward-guardian of The People's Money, spending Other People's Money like a drunken sailor (sorry, plane!) on glamour threads from Saks and Neiman-Marcus.  All that money contributed by hard working $250K per year plumbers like Joe and their wives.  BAAAD move.  I'd stick with Sarah the Phony Hypocrite Fake Hockey Mom, if I were you.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 23, 2008, 12:52:04 PM
now you have to defend Sarah the Scourge of Earmarks and the Bridge to Nowhere, hyper-vigilant steward-guardian of The People's Money, spending Other People's Money like a drunken sailor (sorry, plane!) on glamour threads from Saks and Neiman-Marcus.  All that money contributed by hard working $250K per year plumbers like Joe and their wives.  BAAAD move.  I'd stick with Sarah the Phony Hypocrite Fake Hockey Mom, if I were you.

The money was contributed, as you so plainly state, and therefore it was no longer "The People's Money". If people didn't want their money spent on make overs and clothing for the campaign, they are free to not contribute. Everyone knows that the campaign funds are being used for food, clothing, personal accoutrements, hotels, etc. If they don't, then they are sorely lacking information.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: hnumpah on October 23, 2008, 01:19:50 PM
I've read at least one account of this in which a donor demanded his donation be returned because of this. I'll look around a bit and see if I can dig up the article.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: richpo64 on October 23, 2008, 01:22:29 PM
>> […] I remember for a while he tried to imply that Obama was an elitist.<<

Sure. After Barry said this about people in Pennsylvania while visiting big donors on California, "And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," what other conclusion can you come to?
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 23, 2008, 01:28:20 PM
The money was contributed, as you so plainly state, and therefore it was no longer "The People's Money". If people didn't want their money spent on make overs and clothing for the campaign, they are free to not contribute. Everyone knows that the campaign funds are being used for food, clothing, personal accoutrements, hotels, etc. If they don't, then they are sorely lacking information.

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Obviously it's not that the money was spent, it's the lavish scale of the spending.  Particularly since this was a pretty good-looking and well-dressed family to begin with.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: richpo64 on October 23, 2008, 01:31:26 PM
Who paid for Hillary's suites?

I'm hearing they were donated by the designer. Same goes for Nazi Pelosi. At least Governor Palin paid for hers.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 23, 2008, 01:38:24 PM
I guess that some donors don't mind feeding the lily, but rebel at gilding the lily. Or gilding thee Sarah, in this case.

Would they have also been okay with paying for John Edward's expensive haircuts? As I recall, the Republicans made a really big deal about pricey haircuts. The issue here is that if you run on the platform of being "one of the people", do you stop being "one of the people" when you seek to go out and show the people that you are both "one of the people", and yet somehow qualified to LEAD the same people.

No one seems to actually want to follow Joe the Plumber, and even less "Joe Sixpack", whoever the Hell he might be.

Will Sara continue to eat mooseburgers once the GOP has stuffed her freezer with filet mignons? Will she lose her taste for mooseburgers and therefore side with the Friends of the Moose anti-moose hunting coalition? Or will she just look down her nose at anyone who is still eating mooseburgers?

I remember in 1952, some reporter took a shot of the sole of Adlai Stevenson's shoe, which had a hole in it. The Democrats used it to demonstrate that the somewhat intellectual Adlai was one of the folks. The Republicans made a bunch of signs with the holey sole and the legend "Don't let this happen to you", which I guess was supposed to suggest that the Democrats wanted the postwar economic slump that was going on at the time to continue.

I was every bit as dumb as the Joe the Plumber and the Pitbull with Lipstick schtick we have been forced to endure.

I imagine that Hillary probably paid for her own suits (clothes), and almost certainly the suites of furniture in her home, (as in bedroom suites, living room suites) but her campaign paid for her suites (as in hotel suites).
But Hillary was not trying to sell herself as one of the mooseburger-eating, coupon cutting, beer-swilling middle class, was she?


People who sell furniture always fail to distinguish the pronunciation of suit (rhymes with toot) and suite (rhymes with tweet).
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 23, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
After Barry said this about people in Pennsylvania while visiting big donors on California, "And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," what other conclusion can you come to?

Any SANE THINKING person would come to the conclusion that Obama had a profound understanding of the way these people thought.
Joblessness and having to take a lower-paying job with few or no benefits makes people feel insecure.

Religion makes some people feel secure. At least Jesus is on my side.

Guns make other people feel secure, like whatever dangerous weapons Richie is holding to blast the heads off the rioting Negroes that might invade his cul-de-sac at any moment.

What Obama said was simply TRUE.

Don't we want a president who understands the way people think?

I am pretty sure I do.

Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 23, 2008, 02:40:20 PM
<<But Hillary was not trying to sell herself as one of the mooseburger-eating, coupon cutting, beer-swilling middle class, was she?>>

Except for the time she was trying to knock back shots with a beer chaser in a working-class bar.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 23, 2008, 04:08:08 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/campbell-brown-calls-out_n_137106.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/campbell-brown-calls-out_n_137106.html)

Here's a CNN report indicating that Obama's suits are only $1,500, not $5,000 as Ami claimed earlier in this thread.  Ami more than tripled the cost of the suits.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Plane on October 23, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
<<But Hillary was not trying to sell herself as one of the mooseburger-eating, coupon cutting, beer-swilling middle class, was she?>>

Except for the time she was trying to knock back shots with a beer chaser in a working-class bar.

Oh Yes that was great!

Hehehe...

So about the shoe thing , did BHO reenact the Adlai Stevenson shoe photo?


(http://www.flintjournal.com/125/paper/galleries/history/image/pulitzer.jpg)

(http://www.undiplomatic.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/picture-1.png)

http://www.undiplomatic.net/2008/08/06/if-the-shoe-fits-adlai-stevenson-metaphor-watch/ (http://www.undiplomatic.net/2008/08/06/if-the-shoe-fits-adlai-stevenson-metaphor-watch/)

http://obamaporn.tumblr.com/ (http://obamaporn.tumblr.com/)
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Plane on October 23, 2008, 04:18:08 PM
(http://data.tumblr.com/V3plvX2eRf3kqqq9gfrVQAm3o1_500.jpg)


I don't care , funny is its own justifacation.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Plane on October 23, 2008, 04:20:37 PM
They even look like near the same size.

(http://www.flintjournal.com/125/paper/galleries/history/image/pulitzer.jpg)

(http://www.undiplomatic.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/picture-1.png)

http://www.undiplomatic.net/2008/08/06/if-the-shoe-fits-adlai-stevenson-metaphor-watch/ (http://www.undiplomatic.net/2008/08/06/if-the-shoe-fits-adlai-stevenson-metaphor-watch/)

Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 23, 2008, 05:24:26 PM
Here's a CNN report indicating that Obama's suits are only $1,500, not $5,000 as Ami claimed earlier in this thread.  Ami more than tripled the cost of the suits.

I don't know a $1,500 suit from a $5,000 suit; I just read that the suits he wears run $5,000. Mine are under $600.

I don't really care how much he spends on clothes. Nor do I care how much Palin spends on clothes. Appearance seems to the bailiwick of the Democrats.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 23, 2008, 05:35:44 PM
In addition, while he normally buys $1,500 suits, his nomination suit was custom made for him and the tailor will not reveal how much he spent:

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Thursday night, when Obama will accept the presidential nomination, he will wear a navy blue, worsted wool two-button suit that Hartmarx custom made just for him. Hartmarx is a 121-year-old Chicago-based manufacturer of high-end men's suits.

...

Hartmarx CEO Homi Patel said: "We don't talk about this because we've been making suits for presidents, vice presidents and senators for more than 100 years. The reason we continue making them is because we don't talk about it."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1131869,CST-NWS-fashion28WEB.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1131869,CST-NWS-fashion28WEB.article)
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 23, 2008, 05:42:15 PM
<<I don't know a $1,500 suit from a $5,000 suit; I just read that the suits he wears run $5,000. Mine are under $600.>>

Let me guess:  WSJ?  NY Post?  Washington Times?  National Review?

I used to get suits custom-made for about $700 cash to my dad's tailor.  He'd usually bump the cost up by another hundred bucks by getting me to buy a shirt and tie that he thought went especially well with the suit for another $70 - $80 cash.  Owing to the personal dynamic in play, only a real jerk could refuse.   I got one once custom-made at a very high-class shop for $1,500 retail, credit-card sale and my dad hit the roof.  It looked great but wasn't any better than the ones my dad's guy made for $700 cash.  After my dad passed away, I started going with my wife to retail stores and buying "off the rack" for under $300 on Boxing Day sales.  These look pretty good as far as I can tell.  Nobody really knows the difference and I never let the store jack me into a shirt and tie to go with.  My dad's generation would have spotted the difference right away, but they're long gone.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Plane on October 23, 2008, 05:42:39 PM
In addition, while he normally buys $1,500 suits, his nomination suit was custom made for him and the tailor will not reveal how much he spent:

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Thursday night, when Obama will accept the presidential nomination, he will wear a navy blue, worsted wool two-button suit that Hartmarx custom made just for him. Hartmarx is a 121-year-old Chicago-based manufacturer of high-end men's suits.

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Hartmarx CEO Homi Patel said: "We don't talk about this because we've been making suits for presidents, vice presidents and senators for more than 100 years. The reason we continue making them is because we don't talk about it."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1131869,CST-NWS-fashion28WEB.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1131869,CST-NWS-fashion28WEB.article)


Smart Taylor , sensitive to the symbolism.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Plane on October 23, 2008, 05:45:31 PM
My dad's generation would have spotted the difference right away, but they're long gone.


Are these suits made in Canada?
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 23, 2008, 05:50:19 PM
<<I don't know a $1,500 suit from a $5,000 suit; I just read that the suits he wears run $5,000. Mine are under $600.>>

Let me guess:  WSJ?  NY Post?  Washington Times?  National Review?

Actually, I think it was in a Fashion section on MySpace. My wife is always sending me links from there.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: BT on October 23, 2008, 07:19:20 PM
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Woooah!!   That's not gonna help you at all, BT, it takes you out of the frying pan into the fire.  Let's grant Ami's premise that she IS just Everywoman granted the right to shop at will on somebody else's dime (and duck immediately behind steel-plated garbage can lids as the Feminist Political Correctness Brigade opens up with everything they've got) now you have to defend Sarah the Scourge of Earmarks and the Bridge to Nowhere, hyper-vigilant steward-guardian of The People's Money, spending Other People's Money like a drunken sailor (sorry, plane!) on glamour threads from Saks and Neiman-Marcus.  All that money contributed by hard working $250K per year plumbers like Joe and their wives.  BAAAD move.  I'd stick with Sarah the Phony Hypocrite Fake Hockey Mom, if I were you.

She didn't spend money like a drunken sailor ( and now you have alienated the entire seagoing world and their veterans) the RNC staffers did.

Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Amianthus on October 23, 2008, 07:24:36 PM
She didn't spend money like a drunken sailor ( and now you have alienated the entire seagoing world and their veterans) the RNC staffers did.

That's ok; they're all low-hanging fruit anyway...
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Michael Tee on October 24, 2008, 02:18:42 AM
<<She didn't spend money like a drunken sailor ( and now you have alienated the entire seagoing world and their veterans) the RNC staffers did.>>

If any sailor in this group is so thin-skinned and delicate as to have taken offense at my remarks, I believe he would already have let me know about it.  Sailors aren't known for shyness or reticence in demeanour and have no shortage of salty language with which to make their displeasure known to all and sundry.  So I suggest you let the sailors speak for themselves as they are well capable of doing, and leave the fake indignation and outrage to more convincing actors than yourself.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: BT on October 24, 2008, 02:24:57 AM
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So I suggest you let the sailors speak for themselves as they are well capable of doing, and leave the fake indignation and outrage to more convincing actors than yourself.

Your rapier wit has overwhelmed me.

Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: Plane on October 24, 2008, 04:26:46 AM
<<She didn't spend money like a drunken sailor ( and now you have alienated the entire seagoing world and their veterans) the RNC staffers did.>>

If any sailor in this group is so thin-skinned and delicate as to have taken offense at my remarks, I believe he would already have let me know about it.  Sailors aren't known for shyness or reticence in demeanour and have no shortage of salty language with which to make their displeasure known to all and sundry.  So I suggest you let the sailors speak for themselves as they are well capable of doing, and leave the fake indignation and outrage to more convincing actors than yourself.


I liked some things about being a Sailor , going ashore after being at sea for three paydays was pretty nice.

I know the standard salty language , but this isn't gonna be enough of a problem to justify dusting it off.

Now if you were to accuse a sailor of spending OPM like the typical Congressperson , that would be somewhat worse.
Title: Re: Sarah's Fancy Threads and Joe the Plumber's Family
Post by: hnumpah on October 24, 2008, 08:18:08 AM
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