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Because he wasn't supposed to win.  He is so villified now, that those villifying him as the 2nd coming of not just Hitler, but Satan as well, keep forgetting they're literally calling half of the contry evil nazis as well

I think the "need" here is how many Democrats need to secure subsequent Presidential election....which is why you'll never get any kind of ceiling as to the number that should be allowed in

The gamble Trump is making now, is that Obamacare will implode under its own weight, and he's betting that the Democrats will then come crawling to him to help fix the program they solely put into place.  That assumes that the DC Democrats actually care about the people of this country.  I'm sure some do, but they'd be crucified by the likes of Pelosi & Schumer, if they demonstrated ANY attempt to compromise with Trump, especially on Obamacare

So, the GOP can ONLY expect help in actually passing legislation from themselves.  Get something passed in the House, then let the Democrats hang themselves in trying to obstruct it, in the Senate.  In this case the GOP let both the Dems off the hook, and gave their own constituencies yet another reason not to want to support them, come next election cycle

When you listen to leftist pundits & politicians like NY Mayor DeBlasio or CA congresscritter De Leon, you'd think they were preparing their constituencies for some SWAT-like round-up of anyone, including infant children, here illegally.  Criticizing acts not just not happeneing, but at no time ever advocated as pending policy.

Thus their efforts to adopt actual legal sanctuary city or even sanctuary state jargon....to "protect" those poor defenseless children, just trying to leave school to get home to their mothers

Where the hell is the media to pounce on these politicans on where they're coming up with such fear pushing rhetoric??

Actually the tax payers aren't so much stuck with paying as much as the Hospital ER's are simply screwed out of getting reimbursed for their services, since they are under legal requirement to care for anyone that comes into their ER

The issue again for me Kimba is legal/Constitutional.  People who want to come here have no constitutional protections.  Explointed or not, people who come here illegally, should have ZERO support in American tax dollars.  And those here who hire illegal immigrants, thus pushing the demand, absolutely should have the heavy hand of Federal justice come down on them, and then watch how fast that demand nosedives. 

But until we have some rational control of our own fricken border, none of what we want as far as legal immigrants matter

Now...about this latest Hawaiian Judge to squelch Trump's latest EO regarding a TEMPORARY travel ban from just a FEW countries, that are predominantly Muslim.....This ruling is wrong, on so many levels.  The jist of the ruling is that the Judge proclaims that although there's no actual language that specifcally bans anyone based on their religion, the apparent jist of the EO does indeed apparently ban folks from entering this country, based on their religion. 

Let's put away the Trump hatred mindset for a few moments and deal with present Constitutional guidelines and legal precedent. 

1) Let's pretend that the Judge is exactly correct....that he was able to read the mind of Trump, and ascertain the REAL reason for the EO, that of banning Muslims from entering this country, simply because they're Muslim.  Guess what.....the Constitution gives him precisely that authority.  Constitutional protections, which includes religious protections, ONLY APPLIES TO AMERICANS, AS IN LEGAL CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.  It does NOT apply to ANYONE NOT of this country, which includes ANY person, or ANY religion.  That's egregious error #1

2) The Judge even concedes that there is no language that specifically bans anyone from this country, based on their religion.  However the Judge apparently knows how nefarious Trump is, and has decided to read into the EO, something that simply isn't there.  A gross overstepping of Judicial authority.  That's egregious error #2

3) If this was a supposed ban on all Muslims, it would have included ALL Muslim countries, and not just those that just happen to also be designated terrorist havens/training grounds, by the PREVIOUS Administration  Egregious error #3

4) Lastly, we have PRECEDENT....as in previous presidents have performed precisely that, which Trump is trying to do...impose a TEMPORARY BAN on specific locations, as in countries, NOT religions.  Jimmy Carter imposed a ban on Iranian immigrants.  Where was the outrage??  The beloved FDR, one of the Left's icons, imposed a ban on even Jewish refugees, for fear of Nazi spies hiding among them.  Fricken error #4

There's always wishful thinking for you to fall back on, I suppose.  Still doesn't address the gross double standard, in play