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3DHS / R.I.P.
« on: September 30, 2006, 12:07:09 AM »

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3DHS / Re: Give 'em hell, Harry
« on: September 30, 2006, 12:01:32 AM »
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In the estimation of Al Queda there are 4000 less Jahadis willing to travel and fight because of Iraq.

How  many have joined to replace them?

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Funny how no one can find it.

No one? You are the only one whining about it. As usual.

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...persecution complex...

Not sure where that comes from, but hey, who cares?

I have given you an answer. You may not like it, you may not want to take it as it is, you may not be able to figure it out, but it is all the answer you are going to get, and a helluva lot more than you deserve. So hey, if you want to keep going on and on about it, get used to seeing your posts just hanging out there all alone. I'm moving on.

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Well, considering who keeps asking the same question, while ignoring how it keeps getting answered, I think I have 


Yeah, you do tend to keep asking the same thing over and over, and disregarding the answers you are given.

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3DHS / Re: Give 'em hell, Harry
« on: September 29, 2006, 02:58:07 PM »
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The statement was made that our excursion in Iraq has made us less safe. You have given examples of activities that have made Iraqi's and US combatants less safe.

My question still stands.

How has our excursion made citizens in Jacksonville less safe?

How safe are you going to be when those who are fighting us in Iraq now start making it to the States later on? Not if; when. By then they will be battle hardened, experienced in making homemade explosive devices, experienced in urban warfare. Or what of the groups made up of Americans we are already finding here in the US who want to take up the cause of the Jihadists, who probably would have and could have, if they had not run into an undercover FBI agent while trying to make contact with someone who could give them support, training and weapons? We stopped one group - how many others are out there that we don't know about?

I saw in this morning's paper that Al Qaeda is publicly recruiting anyone with experience with chemical, biological or nuclear weapons for their war against us.

Now, my question still stands - how has our invasion of Iraq made us more safe?

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H, you are NOT this dense
     

Obviously, someone in this discussion is. Keep working on it, you'll figure it out.

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3DHS / Re: Give 'em hell, Harry
« on: September 29, 2006, 11:58:58 AM »
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Big statement. How exactly have our policies in Iraq made us less safe. Any examples to provide?

You  might read the declassified parts of the NIE. The ones that mention we have provided a terrorist training ground in Iraq, given folks cause to join terrorist groups, little things like that.

Can you give any examples how it has made us more safe?

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3DHS / Re: Send your kiddies to 'Jesus Camp'
« on: September 27, 2006, 01:02:37 AM »
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What is the government limit on what yopu may teach your children?
What should the government limit be?

Not sure where they draw the line. But if you insist parents should be allowed to teach their kids to disregard science and remain ignorant, or to strap on bombs and blow up unbelievers, then we're nowhere near close on this one. I'd be just as loathe to live under the threat of Christian extremism as I would be to live under the threat of Islamic extremism.

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...baseless accusation...


There you go again. What accusation? You haven't shown one yet. Where did I accuse you or Ami of anything? Where did I accuse anyone of anything? I speculated on what the new rules were for accepting the conclusions of NIEs and made a generalization. If you don't like it when anyone besides yourself makes generalizations, tough. If you feel this overwhelming desire to take them personally, tougher still.

By the way, the same goes for your
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erroneous assumption
bullshit. Just substitute that for
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accusation
in the paragraph above.

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Miss.

Tsk, tsk. I gave you so much more credit than that.

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What silly snark?

Whatsamatter, you use up all your mental energy making up Smileys that call people 'stupid' and 'troll'?

I'll narrow it down for you. You've made three posts on this thread. It isn't the one this is in reply to. That leaves one, or both, of the others.


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3DHS / Give 'em hell, Harry
« on: September 27, 2006, 12:10:40 AM »
I never paid much attention to him before, but he does have a point.

Intelligence report is made public
By Tabassum Zakaria and David Morgan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush blasted political opponents on Tuesday for selectively leaking from a secret intelligence assessment on global terrorism and then made public the report's main conclusion that the Iraq war had become a "cause celebre" for Islamic extremists.

Democrats had seized on leaked portions of the National Intelligence Estimate to criticize the administration's handling of the Iraq war and members of the U.S. Congress had pressed the White House to declassify the entire document.

At a news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Bush said it was "a bad habit for our government to declassify every time there's a leak."

But he said he decided to make it public so "you can read it for yourself" and stop the speculation that he said was aimed at confusing the American public.

"Somebody has taken it upon themselves to leak classified information for political purposes," Bush said.

The office of intelligence director John Negroponte released a 3-1/2 page section of the April report "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States" compiled by the 16 U.S. spy agencies hours after Bush ordered it declassified.

"The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement," the report said.

"Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight."

Democrats, hoping to take control of Congress in November elections, pounced on media leaks about the report as evidence that Bush's Iraq policy had worsened the global terrorism threat.

Bush is intent on portraying his Republican party as stronger on national security than Democrats and better able to protect Americans.

The report said al Qaeda would continue to pose "the greatest threat" to the United States by a single group.

It said there was a large body of information indicating that activists identifying themselves as jihadists were increasing in number and geographic dispersion.

White House homeland security adviser Frances Townsend said that estimate came in part from reviewing the increasing number of hostile Internet postings.

"If this trend continues, threats to U.S. interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide," the report said.

'IT'S NAIVE'

Bush agreed with the report's conclusion that successes against the al Qaeda leadership had led to extremists "becoming more diffuse and independent" and that they were using Iraq as a recruiting tool.

But, he strongly disagreed with critics conclusions that the Iraq war was a mistake. "I think it's naive," he said.

Bush insists his decision to invade Iraq was necessary to deal with a potential threat. But the American public has become increasingly weary of the war in which about 2,700 U.S. troops have died and sectarian violence is rampant.

Democrats said the report supported their view that the administration's Iraq policies were a failure.

"The Bush administration's failed policies in Iraq are fueling global terrorism and making America less safe," said Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

"These results are the unfortunate consequences of the administration's decision to cherry pick prewar intelligence, ignore our senior military leaders, and completely fail to plan for the post-Saddam occupation."


Townsend defended the decision not to release the whole document, saying the few key judgments held back "go directly to national security concerns" and there were fears about disclosing sources and methods.

(Additional reporting by Steve Holland)




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The baseless claim was...

Not a claim at all, simply throwing back at Ami (and by extension, you) the silly snark you were trying to lay on others.

See where you're not really telling me anything I don't already know? I just figure what's fair for the goose, turnabout is fair play, et cetera, et cetera, and so on. If you don't like it thrown back at you, well, you can refrain from throwing it at others. Nah, that would be too easy.

Accusation aimed at you and Ami? Where did I make such? I don't recall accusing anyone of anything, let alone mentioning names. I did speculate a bit, though.

You really have to get over this persecution complex. Have you looked into professional help?

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3DHS / Re: Send your kiddies to 'Jesus Camp'
« on: September 26, 2006, 11:38:00 PM »
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Got a problem wid that?


Nope. Got a problem wid dese:

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...one of the children is home-schooled by a mother who teaches that "science doesn't prove anything."

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Fischer proudly compared her Bible camp to indoctrination of young boys by extremist Muslims.

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..."I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are over in Pakistan and in Israel and Palestine and all those different places. Because we have, excuse me, but we have the truth."


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