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3DHS / Re: More former pages speak
« on: October 05, 2006, 08:54:57 PM »
 Section 2422 of the U.S. Code is often used in internet sex cases which span state lines and involve minors:


    § 2422. Coercion and enticement

    (a) Whoever knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, to engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

    (b) Whoever, using the mail or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 30 years.

3182
3DHS / Waterboarding "Controversial"
« on: October 05, 2006, 07:25:21 PM »
Waterboarding Historically Controversial
In 1947, the U.S. Called It a War Crime; in 1968, It Reportedly Caused an Investigation

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 5, 2006; Page A17

Key senators say Congress has outlawed one of the most notorious detainee interrogation techniques -- "waterboarding," in which a prisoner feels near drowning. But the White House will not go that far, saying it would be wrong to tell terrorists which practices they might face.

Inside the CIA, waterboarding is cited as the technique that got Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the prime plotter of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, to begin to talk and provide information -- though "not all of it reliable," a former senior intelligence official said.
   

Soldiers in Vietnam use the waterboarding technique on an uncooperative enemy suspect near Da Nang in 1968 to try to obtain information from him.
Soldiers in Vietnam use the waterboarding technique on an uncooperative enemy suspect near Da Nang in 1968 to try to obtain information from him. (United Press International)

Waterboarding is variously characterized as a powerful tool and a symbol of excess in the nation's fight against terrorists. But just what is waterboarding, and where does it fit in the arsenal of coercive interrogation techniques?

On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post published a front-page photograph of a U.S. soldier supervising the questioning of a captured North Vietnamese soldier who is being held down as water was poured on his face while his nose and mouth were covered by a cloth. The picture, taken four days earlier near Da Nang, had a caption that said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk."

The article said the practice was "fairly common" in part because "those who practice it say it combines the advantages of being unpleasant enough to make people talk while still not causing permanent injury."

The picture reportedly led to an Army investigation.

Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said.

A CIA interrogation training manual declassified 12 years ago, "KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation -- July 1963," outlined a procedure similar to waterboarding. Subjects were suspended in tanks of water wearing blackout masks that allowed for breathing. Within hours, the subjects felt tension and so-called environmental anxiety. "Providing relief for growing discomfort, the questioner assumes a benevolent role," the manual states.

The KUBARK manual was the product of more than a decade of research and testing, refining lessons learned from the Korean War, where U.S. airmen were subjected to a new type of "touchless torture" until they confessed to a bogus plan to use biological weapons against the North Koreans.

Used to train new interrogators, the handbook presented "basic information about coercive techniques available for use in the interrogation situation." When it comes to torture, however, the handbook advised that "the threat to inflict pain . . . can trigger fears more damaging than the immediate sensation of pain."

In the post-Vietnam period, the Navy SEALs and some Army Special Forces used a form of waterboarding with trainees to prepare them to resist interrogation if captured. The waterboarding proved so successful in breaking their will, says one former Navy captain familiar with the practice, "they stopped using it because it hurt morale."

After the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the interrogation world changed. Low-level Taliban and Arab fighters captured in Afghanistan provided little information, the former intelligence official said. When higher-level al-Qaeda operatives were captured, CIA interrogators sought authority to use more coercive methods.

These were cleared not only at the White House but also by the Justice Department and briefed to senior congressional officials, according to a statement released last month by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Waterboarding was one of the approved techniques.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html

When questions began to be raised last year about the handling of high-level detainees and Congress passed legislation barring torture, the handful of CIA interrogators and senior officials who authorized their actions became concerned that they might lose government support.

Passage last month of military commissions legislation provided retroactive legal protection to those who carried out waterboarding and other coercive interrogation techniques.


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3DHS / More former pages speak
« on: October 05, 2006, 07:19:31 PM »
Three More Former Pages Accuse Foley of Online Sexual Approaches

October 05, 2006 5:20 PM

Brian Ross, Rhonda Schwartz & Maddy Sauer Report:

Rt_foley2_061003_nrThree more former congressional pages have come forward to reveal what they call "sexual approaches" over the Internet from former Congressman Mark Foley.

The pages served in the classes of 1998, 2000 and 2002. They independently approached ABC News after the Foley resignation through the Brian Ross & the Investigative Team's tip line on ABCNews.com. None wanted their names used because of the sensitive nature of the communications.

"I was seventeen years old and just returned to [my home state] when Foley began to e-mail me, asking if I had ever seen my page roommates naked and how big their penises were," said the page in the 2002 class.

The former page also said Foley told him that if he happened to be in Washington, D.C., he could stay at Foley's home if he "would engage in oral sex" with Foley.
THE BLOTTER RECOMMENDS

    * READER DISCRETION STRONGLY ADVISED: Foley's Exchange with Underage Page
    * Foley Instant Message Chat While Waiting for a House Vote
    * Click Here to Watch This Week's Brian Ross Investigates Webcast

The page told ABC News he was interviewed this week by FBI agents who had a six-page list of questions about Foley and the exchanges.

The second page who talked with ABC News, a graduate of the 2000 page class, says Foley actually visited the old page dorm and offered rides to events in his BMW.

"His e-mails developed into sexually explicit conversations, and he asked me for photographs of my erect penis," the former page said.

The page said Foley maintained e-mail contact with him even after he started college and arranged a sexual liaison after the page had turned 18.

The third page interviewed by ABC News, a graduate of the 1998 page class, said Foley's instant messages began while he was a senior in high school.

"Foley would say he was sitting in his boxers and ask what I was wearing," the page said.

"It became more weird, and I stopped responding," the page said.

All three pages described similar instant message and e-mail patterns, with remarkably similar escalations of provocative questions.

"He didn't want to talk about politics," the page said. "He wanted to talk about sex or my penis," the page said.

The three new verbal accounts are in addition to two sets of sexually explicit instant messages provided to ABC News by former pages.

An online story on the Drudge Report Thursday claimed one set of the sexually explicit instant messages obtained by ABC News was part of a "prank" on the part of the former page, who reportedly says he goaded the congressman into writing the messages.

"This was no prank," said one of the three former pages who talked to ABC News today about his experience with the congressman.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/three_more_form.html

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3DHS / Re: Dow Soars to New Closing High of 11,727
« on: October 05, 2006, 01:11:51 AM »
via Billmon:

"So if you invested $1,000 in the 30 companies in the Dow six years and almost nine months ago, you'd have $1000.34 today!

But, alas, if you invested that same amount in the S&P 500 Index (which in the winter of 2000 was bubbliciously full of tech stocks) you'd have only $910.56, and if you "invested" it in the companies in the Nasdaq Composite (the souffle of '90s equity indices) you'd have just $552.04.

Now, doesn't that make you feel better about the economy?"

http://billmon.org

3186
3DHS / Re: Canadian health care
« on: October 05, 2006, 12:58:39 AM »
Plane, I get a weekly newsletter meant for nurses, doctors, and other health professionals. They do let you receive the newsletter if you're just interested in medicine or want to research a particular health problem. 
Canadians do their share of research and writing of medical papers, making new medicines and treatments, etc. 
http://www.docguide.com/

Also,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100400793.html
The government is letting US citizens import about a 90-day supply of medicines from Canada.  Thank goodness.

3187
3DHS / Re: Fordham Goes Down Swinging
« on: October 04, 2006, 11:14:09 PM »


And now, where's Denny?
From War and Piece:
'Via the Corner, where's Denny? Hastert fails to call into 6:20pm Chicago radio interview. Staff calls in to say he's on a conference call with the leadership. Leadership says he's not on the phone with them.'
http://www.warandpiece.com




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3DHS / Re: Well,, I missed Toonsday, but maybe this will make up for it
« on: October 04, 2006, 10:59:48 PM »
Bear, these are a really good batch.  You must have been cooking all day long. ;-)
I like...the FDR one best, I guess.  Hard to choose.

3189
3DHS / Canadian health care
« on: October 04, 2006, 04:43:44 PM »
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/09/saras-sunday-rant.html

This comes from a woman who lived in the US and now livese in Canada. She compares the two systems.

3190
3DHS / When the House could clean itself
« on: October 04, 2006, 03:52:10 PM »
When the House could clean itself
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301109.html
Good article by Joseph Califano re: the 1980s page sex scandal and the investigation the House undertook.

3191
3DHS / Re: Reynolds' chief of staff "resigns"
« on: October 04, 2006, 03:34:25 PM »
If this was intended to make the fire less intense,  guess what: It just added more oxygen to the room. 

3192
3DHS / Re: Yo Lanya....Brass....Tee....
« on: October 04, 2006, 03:25:17 PM »
Guffaw!

You're really reaching now.

Do you think christian conservatives are going to buy that shit and let this all fall away?

LOL :D
_______________________________

Just listen to this legalistic response:
"Foley did not have inappropriate sexual contact with a minor."

So...he had appropriate sexual contact with a 16 year old? Or he just didn't have sex with anyone who wasn't 16 yet? Or what?

"Foley is not a pedophile."
No, he only hunts for the kids who have reached puberty.  Whatta guy!


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3DHS / Re: Yo Lanya....Brass....Tee....
« on: October 04, 2006, 02:02:50 AM »
'Just an accident? We report, you decide.'
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3570
The BRAD BLOG : INCREDIBLE! FOX 'NEWS' LABELS FOLEY AS DEM DURING O'REILLY FACTOR!

Screen shot is at link.


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3DHS / Re: Yo Lanya....Brass....Tee....
« on: October 04, 2006, 01:42:18 AM »
Responding to Sirs « Reply #17 on: October 03, 2006, 10:44:57 PM »
http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2006/10/beyond-bizzarre-now-theyre-hiding.html
Not only are they circling the wagons. They're putting the children OUT FRONT so the mean reporters won't ask adult questions on adult topics.  Very sleazy. 

 Beyond bizzarre -- now they're hiding behind children?

Harry Scull Jr./Buffalo News

A Buffalo News photographer shot this iconic photo that perfectly sums up the whole damn Foleygate scandal, which has rapidly moved beyond the "merely" sleazy, salacious and corrupt. Now it's an utterly surreal, blame-shifting mass abdication of all personal responsibility.

In an affair that's defined by the failure of adults to accept their responsibility to protect the young people in their charge, NY congressman Thomas M. Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, topped everyone by surrounding himself with the children of supporters at a press conference called to defend his role as a House Republican leader. The New York Daily News blog reports:

    The Upstate media today is all about Tom Reynolds' bizarre press conference yesterday, at which he surrounded himself by small children. At one point, reporters asked if he could make the children leave so they could ask adult questions, and he refused.

Earth to Republican Party: Get a grip!

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3DHS / Re: GOP Losers Circle Wagons For Child Predator
« on: October 03, 2006, 04:44:30 PM »
    
Re: GOP Losers Circle Wagons For Child Predator
« Reply #22 on: Today at 02:54:43 PM »
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The IM's took place in 2003. The Adam Walsh ACT was passd in 2006 and is not retroactive.

Greenwald is either an idiot or is being deliberately misleading.

Take your pick.
 Posted by: Lanya
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I think he was speaking in the present tense.  "Is" and "would be"....would be , what's that, pluperfect?
Posted on: Today at 03:02:34 PM

My post is after BT's.

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