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3DHS / Re: Cain has "all this stuff twirling around in his head".
« on: November 15, 2011, 08:03:40 PM »
<<The pediatrician and her current boyfriend have both field bankruptcy. >>

When she was with the pediatrician, I'm sure he was solvent, which would explain one of the gaps in her employment record, and if the current boyfriend has filed bankruptcy, I'm sure she'll try to get another job if she needs one.  Sure can't blame her for crashing the U.S. economy and exporting millions of jobs.


<<And yet you are the one who excuses Clinton's behavior . . . >>

Stay up to date on the posts, BT.  I don't excuse rape, just wasn't convinced of it before, as far as Bubba was concerned.

<< . . .  and calls a black man Uncle Tom. >>

The Perv IS an Uncle Tom.  That's a comment from the anti-racist side of the aisle, not from the racist GOP.

<<Welcome to the GOP Mikey!>>

Fuck the GOP, BT.

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3DHS / Re: Cain has "all this stuff twirling around in his head".
« on: November 15, 2011, 04:22:04 PM »
<<And we are to believe Cain is some pervert when one accuser filed a sexual harassment charge over a computer joke . . . >>

Wake up and smell the coffee, BT.  Sexually demeaning computer jokes have been found to be sexual harassment on many occasions over the past 20 years and for an attractive blonde, sexual harassment has been known to strike twice.  If she DID file a complaint over a sexually harassing computer joke, you can bet your ass she'd file a complaint over something more egregious as well.  But I guess you prefer your victims to be soft and compliant types who are too intimidated to speak up.  Those days are long gone and the racist, anti-woman Republicans are just going to have to adjust to the 21st century, like it or not.

<<and the other has a long history of being irresponsible not knowing who the father of her child was and having a very spotty employment record. >>

So of course, she couldn't be the victim of a serial sexual harasser already known to have harassed two of his other female employees.  Only financially responsible people who know who the father of their children is can be sexually harassed.  BTW, there's nothing particularly "spotty" about her employment record.  When I analyzed the Trib's hatchet job, I think I found about nine jobs that she'd worked at, one for up to five years, one for two years, and very little to evaluate them.   Did she move a lot from one city to the next?  She was a pediatrician's girl-friend for a number of years, I don't think she really had to go out and work then and she's a stay-at-home mum now.  Your indignation at "spotty employment records" in an era when capitalism has finally failed is laughable, as is your "financial irresponsibility" jibe - - at least in her financial irresponsibility, she took no one else down with her.  Don't you read the papers?  Financial irresponsibility is as American as apple pie.  It's virtually a qualification for high political office in your country.

What about the third victim?  Oh, she kept her head down, wisely, it seems.  No dirt for you apologists for racism and sexism to dig up on her, too bad, so sad.

Well, if you learned nothing else from this little fiasco (and I'm sure you didn't) at least you ought to know by now why a lot of ladies like to keep their heads down after a sexual assault by the Hermster or scum like him.  Because perverts, their enablers and their supporters sure like to revel in digging up the dirt and throwing it around.  Good job, guys.

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 15, 2011, 04:05:36 PM »
Well, now it's a single standard.  They're both a them slime-balls, Bubba and The Perv.   One standard, one application, one result.

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3DHS / Re: Cain has "all this stuff twirling around in his head".
« on: November 15, 2011, 01:12:59 PM »
Saw the video and Pizza Man's pathetic.  Probably all the "stuff twirling round in his head" was blondes whose skirts he could stick his hand into when nobody's looking.  Whatever it was, the question was pretty simple.  You gotta be genuinely STOOOPIT to mess up on that one.  What happens when the going gets rough and the questions aren't so simple?

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 15, 2011, 11:55:23 AM »
Wow, that is some list.

I gotta say, having looked again in more detail into Juanita Broaddrick's accusations, seen a picture of her at that time and seen credible explanations for the 20-year delay, for the false affidavit and for the failure to produce further sworn testimony, I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I think this is probably a credible accusation of rape.  At least, one that deserved serious prosecutorial attention, which it's now probably too late for.

Similarly the Eileen Wellstone accusations and the surrounding circumstances - - why Bill left Oxford after the accusation and a police investigation without completing his studies.  I was disappointed in not being able to find a timeline showing dates of commencement of studies, alleged offence, accusation, and leaving Oxford, but it's certainly a possibility.

Elizabeth Gracen - - sorry guys, this one appears to have been purely consensual, at least according to Wikipedia.  This babe was some looker!  All I can say is Lucky Bill!  Consensual sex with a babe like this one beats consensual sex with Hillary hands down!!!

I'm not going through the rest of them because what's the point?  When you find one pubic hair in your spaghetti, you don't keep eating to see if there's more.  Broaddrick was probably a rape, ditto for Wellstone and the 800K settlement with Jones indicates some kind of wrongdoing that could surface at a trial.  Bill had backers who'd pay the freight all the way to the end of the line, and a huge amount of rep at stake, so obviously he and his handlers had a deathly fear of further proceedings in court.

So Bill's a slimeball.  I don't feel too bad about that, I hated his fucking guts ever since he dumped Lani Guinier and even more after his war on Serbia.  He's the scum of the earth for reasons that have nothing to do with his treatment of women, which is just the icing on the cake for me.  His war on Serbia cost thousands of lives, which nobody gives a shit about anyway.  It was kind of a shock, nevertheless, to realize that Broaddrick had probably been telling the truth after all.

Now maybe you can answer this for me:  How do the numerous crimes of Bill Clinton have anything at all to do with the mountain of fact supporting Cain's sexual harassment of female employees and his lies in denying them?  Want to jump back into the present for a change?

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 15, 2011, 12:13:48 AM »
Wow. you really do like to pitch 'em slow and easy and right over the centre of the plate, don't you?

<<Give me the names of the Women who accuse Herman Cain and why you believe each.>>

1.  Kraushaar -  reasons to believe: $45K settlement, corporate investigation, Cain's ass out the door before the settlement was even signed, Cain lying about her settlement three or four times in two days before lawyering up.  Also, she's a reasonably attractive babe, and so could expect to receive her fair share of harassment, from Cain and/or others.
2.  No-name - reasons to believe, $35K settlement, corporate investigation, Cain's ass out the door before the settlement was even signed, Cain lying about her settlement three or four times in two days before lawyering up.
3.  Sharon Bialek - reasons to believe - she's coming forward when it's too late to ask for money; on same payroll as other two, no reason to lie and a lot to lose by coming forward, as witness, as we've seen from the hatchet job done on her in the Chicago Tribune within a day of her coming forward in public.  The speed of the hatchet job into print is also suspicious, indicating that Cain's people knew she was coming up, despite Cain's public lies that he did not know who she was.  Also, although she's not exactly a head-turner today, my babe-sense tells me that she probably was, back in the day, and so, like Kraushaar, would have been expected to have received more than her fair share of harassment from Cain and others at that time.

     << Do you think it will be much effort to match you one for one and more with accusers of Clinton?>>

I have no idea.  Bring 'em on.

      << The one thing about Herman Cain that matters to you is that he is black, this gives you the hatred needed to believe or ignore anything.>>

Unfortunately, as I've stated, you are projecting the racist prism through which you see the world by force of habit, onto me, who has never held a single racist view.  Thus you imagine that the only differences I see between Clinton and The Perv is skin colour, whereas in fact (as I have already stated, and as you unaccountably persist in ignoring) there are a great many differences between the two men, all in Clinton's favour.  If ANYONE is ignoring significant evidence, it is you, in your racist need to keep one of the few Uncle Toms you have, who is ignoring all common sense to believe Cain, pinning your hopes on junk science as if your ship has already gone down and that is the one floating timber that might save you.


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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 14, 2011, 11:09:43 PM »
Not a single specific instance in a whole pile of totally unverifiable "more ofs" - - I give you specifics, names of accusers and why they were BS, you OTOH give nothing but non-specific, unverifiable "more of this and more of that."  What bullshit.  It's not even worth a response.

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 14, 2011, 10:49:17 PM »
<<Clinton was white and overcame a greater number of more serious charges.>>

Again, your inherent racism blinds you to the many differences between the two men.  Because you are a racist, the only distinction you can see between them is colour, but in fact there were many differences, all in Clinton's favour.  Clinton, for example, was a Rhodes scholar and a babe magnet. 

 <<   Don't !just don't ,start talking about how willing the women involved were, untill you review the cases , your memory on that point is really poor.>>

Instead of meaningless generalities like yours, I actually gave specifics about why I thought the women were willing and/or fakes.  You come out with no facts at all about the women, and expect to win the argument simply based on what you - - without any facts in support - - have asserted.  Don't work that way, plane.  Never did, never will.

    <<You are dripping hatred for a black man that you would like fine if he was in agreement with you , or if he were white.>>

I have no respect whatsoever for an Uncle Tom who sells out his own people for Whitey.  That's despicable.

      << Imigine yourself in Scotsborough Alabam in 1935, yes , that is you there in the mob shaking a torch.>>

What an imagination.  If I were there at all, it'd be as an assistant to Sam Leibowitz - - who, I can assure you, would have hated the Uncle Toms of his day much as I hate the Uncle Toms of mine.  Because I'm an anti-racist, not a racist.  Always have been, always will be.

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3DHS / Re: The Bloody Red Flag
« on: November 14, 2011, 10:39:56 PM »
Well, guys, when you can produce some credible evidence of all these atrocities and massacres apart from what comes from British and U.S. government sources, former Nazi collaborators and former Nazis, I'll be happy to look into it again.  Meantime everything you've produced to date on the topic comes from one of the four sources I mentioned.

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:40:12 PM »
<<So, as I said, I'll simply ask the Police officer, "As a function or your duties, in law enforcement, is it necessary for you to find the truth, to the best of your ability?  Or is it not necessary?">>

Fair enough. The correct answer is "no, it's not necessary," whether or not the officer realizes it.  But a lot of them do understand the point, so we'll just wait and see if your cops are smart enough to get it or not.

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:37:51 PM »
<<But Cain is dark skinned ,one of his accusers is blond.

      <<What more need you know?  >>

ISN'T IT FUNNY?  Four or five times in the course of this thread, I put together all the facts that led me to believe the accusers and not Cain:  they were, the 80K settlement, that Cain's ass was kicked out the door in less than three months of the first claim being filed and then investigated, that three women all on the same payroll had launched essentially the same kind of complaints against Cain, and that Cain's story before lawyering up had changed four times in three days.

ISN'T IT FUNNY?  None of the reasons I gave had anything to do with Cain's skin colour or Sharon's hair colour.

AND ISN'T IT FUNNY that the sole reason plane attributes to me for judging The Perv as I do is something I never said, skin colour.  I think if anyone's playing the race card here, it is the conservatives.  What a surprise!!!  Not.  Not at all, really.  The reason they hire an Uncle Tom in the first place is to play the race card.

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:27:05 PM »
<<No, stupid statement..........."But that is exactly what you just don't seem to understand.  It is not necessary for them to find out what the truth is.".  So, now you're backpedaling on the notion that the Police don't look for the truth in a crime and in who they're investigating??  >>

I did not say they don't LOOK for the truth - - those are your words.  I said, it is NOT NECESSARY for them to FIND the truth. 

Nobody trusts them to find the truth.  All they have to do is assemble what looks to them like a good case to take to the DA, who then decides whether to bring it before the court.  Naturally they do their best in presenting the case to make it as close to the truth as they can, particularly as regards the identity of the perp, but they are not expected to come up with THE TRUTH.  The truth is for the court to determine, not the cops.  If they put together the best case they could with what facts and logic they had, and the court throws out the charges, this is not (except in cases of egregious error or malfeasance) the fault of the cops, whose job was not to find the truth but to put together the likeliest case, so the court would have a good shot at finding the truth based on the evidence assembled.

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:16:11 PM »
<< If he really did as described there could indeed be a trial , but there would have to be a bit of evidence that a prosicutor felt useible.>>

The settlement is probably useless because it would have a clause denying liability on Cain's part.  The records of the corporate investigation would be available,unless the NRA destroyed them in the ordinary course of business, which they probably did.  It's basically a he said-she-said case but with three female employees testifying, a pattern of conduct could be established rather easily.  You're really looking at a situation where just one of the women has to be more believable than Cain, and I think all three of them are - - if it's a civil suit, the margin of believability can be as low as 51 to 49.  I don't think any one of those women is less believable than Cain and the odds of all three being liars, in the absence of any real evidence of conspiracy are slim indeed.

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3DHS / Re: The Bloody Red Flag
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:05:29 PM »
Oh goodie!  More Cold War propaganda.  YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNN.  Why am I not surprised?

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3DHS / Re: Cain passes lie detector test
« on: November 14, 2011, 05:53:34 PM »
<<So, I will ask them.....is it or is it not necessary for the Police to find out what the truth is, and who is or isn't telling them the truth.  Your claim is that it is not.  I'll find out directly from the source, if you are right, or the rest of the rational world is>>

Of course they are going to tell you they try to find the truth.  Stupid question.  Ask them who goes deeper in looking for the truth, police or the courts?  Ask them if they believe that VSA is a tool in the investigation and what that means.  Otherwise you're just wasting their time, your time and our time.

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