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3DHS / Re: State of Denial
« on: September 30, 2006, 03:40:43 PM »
When issues are framed politically, political remedies would suffice.

Firing Rumfeld would accomplish exactly that.


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3DHS / Re: He finds it ironic
« on: September 30, 2006, 12:58:48 AM »
I'm surprised patriotboy is against universal health care.


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3DHS / Re: Give 'em hell, Harry
« on: September 30, 2006, 12:22:21 AM »
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How safe are you going to be when those who are fighting us in Iraq now start making it to the States later on? Not if; when.

We seem to be having a timeline problem once again.

The statement said the Iraq excursion made us less safe. No qualifiers. Just a repetition of the mantra as if it were fact.

 And i don't see factual evidense to back that claim.

Safety is relative.

I am at a greater risk of a drunk driver crossing the center line than i am a jihadist on a mission.




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3DHS / Re: the makings of tragedy
« on: September 29, 2006, 11:37:31 PM »
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The "illegally" could be rectified by granting the exemption but the basic parties seem to have been a religious institution on the Muslim side and a school on the Christian side.  Different basic laws might apply.

Doubtful.
Zoning boards deal with land use.
Both properties were held by religious organizations and both properties hosted educational facilities.

Yet the board ruled differently for one and not the other. And that is unequal application of the law.

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3DHS / Re: the makings of tragedy
« on: September 29, 2006, 07:49:04 PM »
I do believe he brought up an interesting unequal application of the law in his post. Perhaps you missed it.

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3DHS / Re: Judge received death threats
« on: September 29, 2006, 07:44:43 PM »
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

That ring a bell, Mikey?


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3DHS / Re: Give 'em hell, Harry
« on: September 29, 2006, 01:08:49 PM »
The statement was made that our excursion in Iraq has made us less safe. You have given examples of activities that have made Iraqi's and US combatants less safe.

My question still stands.

How has our excursion made citizens in Jacksonville less safe?
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3DHS / the makings of tragedy
« on: September 29, 2006, 12:51:24 AM »
Unnecessary division over unnecessary divisions?
This is a painful post but I'll try to crank it out rather than sit on it and let it get more painful. The "blogostorm" between Dean Esmay and Michelle Malkin has little to do with me personally*, but everything to do with the national debate this country has been having since 9/11 when we were attacked by suicidal Saudi Salafists.

Were the 9/11 attackers Muslims? Even that isn't necessarily clear, and it depends on how Islam is to be defined. The problem is, they claimed to be acting on behalf of Islam, and enough Muslims support their cause to make many Americans wonder. For some people, it's a lot easier to conclude that "we were attacked by Islam" than to face the reality that some Muslims -- even millions of Muslims -- are not all Muslims.

I think this is terribly mistaken thinking, but I do not think it is treason. The problem is, once you conclude that the United States is at war with Islam a lot flows from that. (Including the belief that Muslims are suspect Americans, and are akin to Communists during the cold war. Or analogous to the way many 19th Century Americans regarded Indians.) Such a view of Islam as the enemy is wrong. Ali Eteraz (via Mutnodjmet) put it quite well:

wrong pragmatically; wrong in relation to the Enlightenment; wrong morally.
I, too, get very sick of hearing that Muslims are the enemy. Indeed; if we are at war with Islam, we have no business rebuilding Iraq and trying to help establish democracy; we should be leveling the place and populating it with Americans.

I see the enemy as jihadists. (And I don't mean jihadists in the sense of playing the piano well or getting straight As or doing a fine job as a teacher; I mean it in the sense of waging holy war in the name of Islam.) That sounds easy enough, but try putting it into practice in the United States today. One of the great ironies of the post-9/11 period is that while violent Islamic jihadists attacked this country, there is a constantly growing network -- both organized and unorganized -- of in-place apologists at virtually every level of society all ready to defend them. Criticize jihadists, and people on the left will call you a racist. An Islamophobe. A bigot. I have seen this too many times to count, and the reason I call it ironic is that before 9/11, feminists routinely criticized the veil. Gay activists did not hesitate to condemn Islamic homophobia. Atheists condemned Islam the same way they condemned Christianity. After 9/11, the PC crowd suddenly included a group which they'd previously neglected, and it seemed to me that the 9/11 attacks helped the image of radical Muslims with the left in this country. And in most newspapers, and on many campuses.

This network of PC critics is not only defensive in nature, but offensive. Hence, few American newspapers would dare print cartoons that would probably have been printed before 9/11 without so much as a passing thought. Before 9/11, few cared about the Supreme Court's image of Muhammad, or the many images of Muhammad (such as Salvador Dali's 1960s version). Now, even operas have to be careful. Lest they "offend." I'm tired of that crap, and a lot of people are. I don't agree that 9/11 supplied anyone with an excuse to be insensitive or act like a jerk. But then again, why in the world should a horrible attack like that make us more concerned with (what's the phrase?) "Islamic sensibilities"?

There's a large group of Americans (perhaps the majority) who never really thought about Muslims before 9/11. And now that their country is under attack by a group of Islamist maniacs, is this the right time to suddenly start lecturing them about sensitivity? Like it or not, that's what's happening. I think it is entirely unreasonable, and violates the most basic American common sense. Scolding Americans about how ignorant they are about Islam and how they "need to learn more about it" implies that they now have some duty -- now that they're under attack -- to understand their attackers. That's not the way wars are normally fought, and it doesn't surprise me that some people find it unacceptable. Hence the backlash, and hence the "screw them all!" position of the more fervent and loud members of the Michelle Malkin crowd.

I'm not saying that "screw them all!" any more characterizes Michelle Malkin than "Let's have peace and understanding with Islamists now!" characterizes Dean Esmay. Rather, these are tendencies, and they touch on colliding schools of thought that are aggravated by years of war and rapidly coming to a head.

Yet in fairness, it should be recognized that both "screw them" and "understand them" are very American positions, just as American as Dean Esmay and Michelle Malkin.

I think the two ways of looking at the same facts symbolize a growing, possibly intractable debate, and I'm worried that it may be as hopeless as the debate over guns (in which vicious drive-by shootings are seen by one side as an argument against guns, and by the other as an argument to own guns).

Unfortunately for me, I live close to a Saudi madrassa that I've complained about in a number of posts. They're not only too close to terrorism, they're too close to me. Yet the damned local government pays for school buses to take kids in and out of there for their indoctrination with what the half-Jewish neighborhood has every reason to suspect is anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, anti-West hatred. (The "damned local government," of course, is funded with my tax dollars.) In violation of zoning regulations, they operated a school illegally, ran an unlicensed "halal" meat market, unlicensed restaurant, and summer jihad camps -- contemptuously violating their pre-9/11 covenant with the neighbors. Neighbors complained, and were treated by the bureaucrats with barely concealed contempt, as if we were an annoying group of bigoted crackpots. (Complaints of terrorist connections were dismissed as "irrelevant," for example.) The Zoning Board, however, couldn't ignore the blatant code violations, and hearings were held, but guess what? Over the objections of the neighbors, the madrassa got the "special exceptions" it had requested:

In a 25-page order released last week, the board granted most requests by Villanova's Center for Islamic Education to expand operations, over neighbors' strong objections.

Although the order includes numerous restrictions and conditions, neighbors who waited until the end of a lengthy board meeting Thursday night to hear the twice-delayed decision were dismayed. They say the center, which holds religious services and monthly lectures on topics related to Islam, not only has consistently violated township restrictions and an agreement with neighbors since it opened in 1994, but broke the rules this summer, even while the application was pending.

While the zoning board said it "understands those frustrations," it found that it could not, as a matter of law, deny the requests, which include permitting operation of a school for students in kindergarten through eighth grades, a summer camp for children and increased attendance at some religious services.

Not so for a Christian school in a nearly identical situation before the same board:
The Lower Merion Zoning Hearing Board voted Aug. 18 to deny the American Academy's requests for zoning relief to continue meeting at Gladwyne Methodist Church.

In a case members deliberated throughout the summer, the board found that the organization is operating as a school and does not qualify for an extension of the church's special exception as a religious use in a residential zone. The group had argued that its Christian-based instruction is a form of religious expression.

If it is bigotry to want a Saudi madrassa to be treated the same way a Christian school was treated, then call me a bigot. I am getting sick and tired of this politically correct nonsense, as are a lot of people. And no; it is not all Muslims. Many Muslims, I am sure, don't want their kids indoctrinated in Wahhabist hatred. Many are tolerant of gay rights and stuff like that. It just seems to me that they'd be a little less afraid of speaking up if Americans weren't also so intimidated.

For the umpteenth time, I do not condemn Islam. Our war is not with Islam. Islam did not declare war on us. I am all for moderate Muslims. The problem is that the head of the local madrassa calls his brand of Islam "moderate" and describes his congregants as "mainstream moderate Muslims." Radicals have a history of becoming the mainstream. (And the more the left pushes, the more mainstream the Jihadists become.)

Thus, the whole thing is ugly, mean and bitter. Writing this blog post makes has been little more than an experience in bitterness, and I'd just as soon have had a few beers, and forgotten about it.

The worst part of it is that Dean and Michelle are both right -- each in their own way. Michelle may have failed to properly recognize the distinctions between Islam and Islamism, while Dean may be failing to understand the social dynamics of how the left is undermining this distinction, or Michelle's reactions to that.... FWIW, I think they're both on solid ground as Americans, not that it really matters right now in the debate.

It has all the makings of tragedy.

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/004079.html

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3DHS / Re: Allen should 'fess up and be done with it.
« on: September 29, 2006, 12:35:30 AM »
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Mikey spews: If the white voters of Virginia really gave a shit about blacks or the fight against racism, George Allen by now would be dead in the water.  His opponent would have opened a 40-point lead.  The fact is, his worst sin, in the eyes of most white Virginians, is a breach of social convention - - a convention whose sole value is preventing them from looking like the racists that almost all of them are.

And yet Webb, his Democrat opponent is accused of doing the same thing. And Webb used to be a Reagan Republican, you know,  one of those states rights types, and we all know that they are racist as the day is long.

So all things being equal, what does Webb bring to the table that Allen doesn't, other than wanting to cut and run from Iraq.


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3DHS / Re: Allen should 'fess up and be done with it.
« on: September 28, 2006, 09:59:03 PM »
Looks like Webb has some splainin to do also:

Webb Denies Ever Using Word as Epithet
Racial Slur Overshadowing All Else in Contest

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 28, 2006; B01



RICHMOND, Sept. 27 -- Democratic Senate candidate James Webb on Wednesday sought to explain remarks he had made a day earlier, in which he refused to say whether he had used the "N-word," but he insisted he has never used it as a racial epithet aimed at anyone.

"I don't think that there's anyone who grew up around the South that hasn't had the word pass through their lips at one time in their life," he told the Richmond Times-Dispatch on Tuesday. "If you read 'Fields of Fire,' that word and a lot of other words are in the book." "Fields of Fire" is a novel Webb wrote about the Vietnam War.

Spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd said Webb, an author and former Marine, "did not want to make any blanket statements that he has never, ever uttered the word. Jim has not used the word directed at another person. He's never used it himself as a racial slur."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/27/AR2006092702062_pf.html

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3DHS / Re: BushCo: Are they morons or complicit in 9.11?
« on: September 28, 2006, 06:34:19 PM »
Brass,

If it makes you feel better to believe that , have at it.

Just don't expect rational people from any side of the spectrum to jump on your bandwagon.


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3DHS / Re: BushCo: Are they morons or complicit in 9.11?
« on: September 28, 2006, 11:46:49 AM »
Glad to see someone gets it:


Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani defended Bill Clinton on Wednesday over the former president's counterterrorism efforts, saying recent criticism on preventing the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks is wrong.

Political bickering over which president — Clinton or George W. Bush — missed more opportunities to prevent the attacks has been escalating since Clinton gave a combative interview on "Fox News Sunday" in which he defended his efforts to kill Osama bin Laden.

"The idea of trying to cast blame on President Clinton is just wrong for many, many reasons, not the least of which is I don't think he deserves it," Giuliani said in response to a question after an appearance with fellow Republican Charlie Crist, who is running for governor. "I don't think President Bush deserves it. The people who deserve blame for Sept. 11, I think we should remind ourselves, are the terrorists — the Islamic fanatics — who came here and killed us and want to come here again and do it."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060928/ap_on_re_us/giuliani_clinton_4&printer=1;_ylt=Ai8ay5t75GNbHRJFK6mSGrhH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-


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3DHS / Re: To be on TV throughout the Mideast
« on: September 27, 2006, 07:39:10 PM »
If we are the source of the problem, why would the UN need to send in a peacekeeping force? We leave and violence goes away, right?

And if we are stilll meddling in their affairs by building houses and throwing money at them, wouldn't we still be the source of their problems?


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3DHS / Re: Give 'em hell, Harry
« on: September 27, 2006, 02:17:14 AM »
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"The Bush administration's failed policies in Iraq are fueling global terrorism and making America less safe," said Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

Big statement. How exactly have our policies in Iraq made us less safe. Any examples to provide?
 

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3DHS / Re: wa da fu(%
« on: September 25, 2006, 04:07:00 PM »
Dell took a loss because their product became shoddy. Their customer service was worse than dealing with the government. Hopefully it isn't too late to turn things around.


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