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3DHS / Re: I just Read the Popes Speech, Oh the shame
« on: September 19, 2006, 03:35:33 PM »
Actually, that was pretty much the jist of the point.  I realize it was a staggering quote, analogus to claiming Jesus was the root of all evil, but you don't see hordes of Christians going around violently protesting everytime Christ is demeaned, demagogued, or portrayed in such a way as applying cow dung on the Virgin Mary, or placing a cross in a vat of urine, calling it "art", and U.S. tax payers actually paying for its presentation.  No, the jist if the point being made was that Islam could be considered a violent religion, with that point now being validated on a daily basis, by so many followers of the Religion of Peace

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3DHS / Re: I just Read the Popes Speech, Oh the shame
« on: September 19, 2006, 02:50:34 PM »
Yea, really.  as they expressed the potential violence within a particular religion, now manifesting for all to see, acute violence in response to anything that dares criticize the "religion of peace" as anything but

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3DHS / Re: I just Read the Popes Speech, Oh the shame
« on: September 19, 2006, 01:59:37 PM »
His words (or more accurately, the Byzantine's quote) were ironically prophetic

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3DHS / Re: Is the Hitler analogy outdated?
« on: September 19, 2006, 01:47:03 PM »
H: Who has the reading comprehension problem?  Where did I say it was widespread?

Well, since hat's what I was asking, and nothing about the FBI being able to access red flagged library records, and then you reply about the apparent widespread access to book records, one can make the logical assumption you were trying to connect the 2.

H:  It may only be calls to and from overseas locations, in this case specifically the Middle East. My point is the government has no business monitoring them at all

Well, there in lies our biggest disagreement, since I see them as having every bit of business monitoring them, considering the Fed's chief function is to protect this country from enemies both foreign & domestic, if they indeed believe they're comming from a suspected terrorist(s) overseas

JS: If the wiretapping program is on the level, then why use the NSA and not the FBI? It is ostensibly within the FBI's purview.

Why is it not within the purview of the NSA?  Are these not overseas calls?  Is not the NSA focused on data gathering & intel regarding foreign threats?  I do believe the FBI's primary jurisdiction is within the USA.  You actually reinforce the case that this is wiretapping of FOREIGN terrorists, and their calls coming into the U.S.  But hey, why not we get both agencies, working on it?

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3DHS / Re: I just Read the Popes Speech, Oh the shame
« on: September 19, 2006, 01:36:40 PM »
Yet, she would still be alive if it were not for the Pope's words.

And you know this how?  Point being, words or no words, the pope didn't tell anyone to go murder a nun.  Islamic radicals, representing the supposed "religion of Peace', put 2 bullets to the back of her head

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3DHS / Re: common-sense variety of multiculturalism
« on: September 19, 2006, 11:55:27 AM »
I think the government - - any government - - should just stay the hell away from religion.  They have no business at all telling the churches or mosques what to preach.  I thought that kind of stuff went out with Nazi Germany.

Who's telling who what to preach?   ???   Specifics please

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3DHS / Re: Is the Hitler analogy outdated?
« on: September 19, 2006, 11:35:10 AM »
The point that the FBI is able to check up on anomolous book records was pretty much conceded when it was brought up in my earlier post.  Reading for comprehension isn't a problem, on your end, is it?   Now, back to my query.  Care to show us any EVIDENCE/FACTS of these widespread domestic wiretapping??  Last time I checked it was quite specific, and your cynicism of Bush and the government isn't going to cut it as providing validity to such allegations

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3DHS / Re: I just Read the Popes Speech, Oh the shame
« on: September 19, 2006, 11:30:05 AM »
Words can be deadly and a sister has already been killed. Sometimes silence kills, sometimes choosing your words poorly or without thinking can lead to killing.

And in this case, radical Islamists killed her.  Not the Pope.  Ironically the 14th century Byzantine, that the Pope was quoting, was apparently quite prophetic

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3DHS / Plamegate Fadeout....take 3
« on: September 19, 2006, 04:12:30 AM »
Plamegate Fadeout III. Novak Regrets
Reporters 'Don't Say Sorry'

     On Friday's C-SPAN morning show Washington Journal, host Brian Lamb interviewed columnist Robert Novak in the hour of 9 to 10 AM Eastern time on his column on the unraveling of the Plamegate scandal. (Novak was in Urbana, Illinois, at his alma mater, the University of Illinois.) Perhaps the most entertaining parts were his harsh takes on Chris Matthews (un-watchable) and Jon Stewart, whom he called "a self-righteous comedian taking on airs of grandeur." Novak also scolded his media colleagues: "At the beginning there was a lot of attention played to it and a lot of bad journalism on this story. You could write a book about the bad journalism involved of exaggerating it. But journalists don't say they're sorry."

     After a supportive call mentioning Matthews, Novak said Hardball was un-watchable:
     "Well, thank you. My problem here, sir, is that I never watch Chris Matthews' program because I don't feel that I can possibly learn anything from all that shouting and blathering and interrupting people. So I haven't watched his program in years. I don't know if he said much about this and I don't care. I can imagine that Mr. Matthews believes that being mistaken in journalism means never having to say you're sorry. So I don't think he'll say much of anything."

     Later, Brian Lamb revisited the point, which spurred Novak to praise C-SPAN:

     Lamb: "That brings up the question how much television do you watch, what other shows do you watch and do you spend much time in front of that tube?"
     Novak: "Well, I have a -- yeah, I do spend a lot of time. I'm able to do, what's the fancy term now, multi-task. I am able to write and talk on the telephone and watch television at the same time. Pretty good for an old man, isn't it, Brian? I have a television set right next to my terminal at work and I have one next to my terminal at home. And, I do a lot of C-SPAN watching, which I really enjoy. I watch the Senate and House, particularly the Senate. I get a lot of story ideas from that and watch of C-SPAN and watch the cable networks considerably. But, I don't -- don't watch -- I have a lot of problems with Chris Matthews, which I won't go into. This is not the Chris Matthews show, but I just don't watch that program. And I certainly, if somebody mentioned the Jon Stewart program, I've never seen that in my life and I will go to my grave not having seen it."
     Lamb: "Why?"
     Novak: "I don't see a reason for it, it's a comedian, a self-righteous comedian taking on airs of grandeur, I don't really need that."

     I'm sure Novak was smarting from a caller who had mentioned Stewart's "stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America" outburst on CNN's Crossfire about how that show was a civic menace (October 15, 2004). The best part was Stewart saying that Crossfire was for partisan hacks, even as co-host Tucker Carlson was pressing him about how he asked partisan-hack-softball questions to John Kerry on The Daily Show.

     Novak told Lamb that for most of its history, Crossfire was actually a fairly civil show, but that it grew more heated when it started being taped before a studio audience at George Washington University and added the Clinton spinners James Carville and Paul Begala to oppose Novak and Carlson from the left.

     When asked if he would write a book on his Plamegate experiences, Novak replied he has a memoir coming next year on his 50 years in Washington. As he said of Matthews, he repeated that the press in general is paying too little attention to Plamegate's utter collapse:
     "I would say that most of the press really ignored this story I think they intuitively felt there was a build-up phony story. At the beginning there was a lot of attention played to it and a lot of bad journalism on this story. You could write a book about the bad journalism involved of exaggerating it. But journalists don't say they're sorry. In fact, they never even say they're wrong. It's part of, I think, we -- we accept that as our -- as our First Amendment right to be wrong."


http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2006/cyb20060918.asp#4

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3DHS / Plamegate Fadeout....take 2
« on: September 19, 2006, 04:10:44 AM »
Plamegate Fadeout II. Newsweek's Thomas: Plamegate a 'Big Zero'

     On the chat show Inside Washington on PBS station WETA-TV in Washington, DC on Friday night, the spin was in: Plamegate was a massive zero. No one was more enthusiastic than Newsweek's Evan Thomas. I'm sure the reporting of his colleague Michael Isikoff has him completely persuaded. But here's what didn't come up: How much ink did Newsweek spill hyping this "zero" story up? When the show's substitute host Kathleen Matthews (wife of Chris Matthews) asked what the bottom line was on Plamegate, Thomas declared: "Nothing! Nothing! This is a big zero of a story that most of the American public has ignored, Washington has been feverishly consumed by, and it means something for Scooter Libby, who may go to jail, so it has some personal consequences, but in the great sum of American body politic, it means nothing."

     Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer added the press angle: "It tells us a lot about the press, which as long as Rove's neck was in the noose, and Libby and Cheney and the President, was extremely interested in this story, hundreds of stories on the front page, hours of it here on this show, and as soon as it doesn't appear to be that way, no interest whatsoever."

     Left-leaning Mark Shields, who worked for years with Robert Novak on CNN's "Capital Gang," declared on the show that Novak is a man of integrity and that he believes that Novak is telling the truth in his column that Richard Armitage deceived people by never admitting he was the leaker, and then claiming that he couldn't talk because of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, even though Fitzgerald was appointed months after he must have realized he was Novak's source.


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3DHS / Plamegate Fadeout....take 1
« on: September 19, 2006, 04:09:04 AM »
Plamegate Fadeout I. Borger: Without Rove, Media Lost Interest

     On CNN's Reliable Sources on Sunday morning, Gloria Borger, CBS News Capitol Hill correspondent and U.S. News columnist, conceded that the revelation that then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was who leaked the fact that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, "was sort of a big yawn" to the news media "and why we didn't cover it that much, is because, first of all, everybody was anticipating a Karl Rove indictment, and that would have been a huge, huge story." So, when "Karl Rove was not indicted, the air went out of the balloon at that particular point." To put it mildly. Host Howard Kurtz called media coverage of Rove "overheated," suggesting that "a lot of journalists practically had the date circled on the calendar when he might be charged."

     The CBS Evening News at least ran a story, unlike the ABC and NBC evening newscasts, but a very skewed and incomplete report, as detailed in the September 8 CyberAlert item, "CBS Interviews Armitage: Spikes Rove, Suggests Apology to Wilson," online at: www.mediaresearch.org

     From the September 17 Reliable Sources, aired live at 10am EDT, with David Corn of The Nation in the DC studio with Borger and John Fund of OpinionJournal.com via remote from New York City as the other guests in the segment:

     Gloria Borger: "I'll tell you why the Richard Armitage thing was sort of a big yawn and why we didn't cover it that much, is because, first of all, everybody was anticipating a Karl Rove indictment, and that would have been a huge, huge story. Top adviser to the President, Scooter Libby, top adviser to the Vice President had already been indicted for lying."
     Howard Kurtz: "And that was overheated, by the way. You know, mean sure, he was certainly vulnerable and he testified four or five times, but you know a lot of journalists practically had the date circled on the calendar when he might be charged."
     Borger: "And the blogs had been blogging, 'oh Karl Rove's gonna get indicted.' Well, guess what? Karl Rove was not indicted. The air went out of the balloon at that particular point."


http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2006/cyb20060918.asp#2

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3DHS / Re: The Anti-U.S. Summit
« on: September 19, 2006, 04:06:21 AM »
Couric: U.S. Enemies in Cuba a 'Who's Who of Bush's Adversaries'

     In a brief item on the Friday's CBS Evening News, Katie Couric asserted: "At the top of tonight's news briefing, a who's who of President Bush's adversaries on the world stage all together in one place. Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are among the leaders in Havana for the meeting of the non-aligned nations. Raul Castro is playing host. His older brother, Fidel, is still recovering from intestinal surgery."

     ABC and NBC, however, realized those leaders and others gathered, for the summit in Havana of the "Non-Aligned Movement," are enemies of the United States, not just the current occupant of the Oval Office. Fill-in ABC anchor Kate Snow referred to how the organization "regularly takes anti-American stances and today was no exception" and reporter Jim Avila, in Cuba, relayed how "America's short list of antagonists" were "all bashing the United States for opposing Iran's nuclear program, all of them together in Cuba, capital of anti-Americanism." NBC's Brian Williams, anchoring from Havana, described the summit of non-aligned nations as "all of the enemies of the United States, really, gathered in one room."

     The full transcript of Couric's full item is above. A bit more of how the September 15 ABC and NBC newscasts described the conclave:

     # ABC's World News with Charles Gibson:
     Anchor Kate Snow: "Now to Cuba, where Fidel Castro's government took over the leadership of the so-called nonaligned nations today, the organization regularly takes anti-American stances and today was no exception. But conspicuously absent from the limelight and the ranting was Fidel Castro. ABC's Jim Avila is in Havana."

     Avila began, from Cuba: "America's short list of antagonists -- Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinajad, and Bolivia's Evo Morales -- all bashing the United States for opposing Iran's nuclear program, all of them together in Cuba, capital of anti-Americanism..."

     # NBC Nightly News:
     Brian Williams opened: "Good evening from Havana, Cuba, the host city for what is called the summit of non-aligned nations. In short, all of the enemies of the United States, really, gathered in one room. Their host happens to be the longest serving ruler of any nation on earth. Fidel Castro has outlasted nine U.S. Presidents. And while he is currently hospitalized, sitting out this conference after transferring power her to his brother Raul, this is still very much every bit Castro's Cuba..."


http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2006/cyb20060918.asp#1

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3DHS / Re: Apparently, the Pope must die
« on: September 19, 2006, 02:36:50 AM »

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3DHS / Re: I just Read the Popes Speech, Oh the shame
« on: September 19, 2006, 02:29:47 AM »

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