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3DHS / Re: speaking of knocking on your door
« on: August 18, 2007, 05:34:47 PM »
I dunno, CU4 - - where's the evidence that Sayyed Yusef Tabatabai Nejad has people blowing up airliners, flying planes into buildings etc.?  As a matter of fact the Sept. 11 mujahideen were all Sunnis, the very first people that Nejad hopes to convert.

I never said this Muslim Cleric has his followers doing these terrible deeds, but it is a fact that people within Islam are doing these horrible deeds in the name of their religion and they even admit their motivation is their religion. There are mountains of evidence I can provide from the last year, even the last month, of violent carnage perpertrated by Muslims claiming Islam as their primary motivation.

Why are you so reluctant to admit the obvious? Today, in the year 2007, none of the other religions of the world has this huge problem of followers carrying out violent attacks targeting innocent civilians in the name of their religions claiming their motivation is their religion.

Seems to me that more people have been killed in Iraq than in all the blown-up airliners, WTC victims etc. put together and the killers were in the U.S. army, most of whom WERE within the religion of the Pope and Graham.

Come on you must know that is a false dichotomy.
The people killed in Iraq by US/Coalition forces are not killed in the name of some religion.

And what's the difference to the victims if the killers killed them in the name of Christianity or democracy or WMD?
The difference is when you are discussing which religion in today's world has a serious problem of violence, one points out the reality that every single day we see headlines of horrible attacks by Muslim followers claiming motivation from Islam to carry out these attacks.

Why point a finger at the Muslims and say "Look what their followers did"
Because that is in fact reality is it not?
You do the exact same thing towards past instances of violence and crimes from Christians throughout ancient history.
But in today's world...in the now....it is the followers of Islam who claim their motivation is Islam and are doing these horrible violet acts all over the globe every single day. There is no current similar violent situations in any of the other major religions of the world.
Again, why do you find it so difficult to readily admit the obvious?

when you ignore everything done by those who follow Christianity.
I ignore? No I don't deny the historical facts, how could one?
But you seem like you are attempting to ignore the facts in the current time.
I freely admit that Christians in the past have done horrible things.
But I live in today's world, not centuries ago or even decades ago.

And the fact is, currently there is no comparison as to what religion has a very serious problem of violence in it's midst in today's world of followers carrying out daily violent attacks all over the globe and freely stating the motivation is their religion.

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3DHS / Re: speaking of knocking on your door
« on: August 18, 2007, 02:29:27 PM »

michael but honestly don't you see the huge difference?

Rev Graham and the Pope do not have people within their religion TODAY IN CURRENT TIMES blowing up airliners, blowing up buses, flying planes into buildings, blowing up night clubs, beheading people, blowing up commuter trains full of innocent civilians in Spain and England, car bombing airports, assassinating women because they hold elective office, violently attacking schools because they are teaching women, suicide bombings on a daily basis, threatening to kill all members of entire countries, all in the very name of the religion. It's no secret that the people doing these kinds of things proclaim their primary motivation is their religion. (Islam)

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3DHS / speaking of knocking on your door
« on: August 18, 2007, 12:35:55 PM »

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3DHS / Re: Thank you, ACLU
« on: August 18, 2007, 11:33:22 AM »
can these people thank the ACLU too?



OFFICIALS FORCIBLY REMOVE HILLARY PROTESTER AT FUNDRAISER
by Craig Bachler

The below link will take you to see a protested removed from the Hillary for President fundraiser.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=960_1174488595&p=1



Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Anti-war protesters arrested outside Clinton's office

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Capitol Police arrested six women from the anti-war group "Code Pink" outside Sen. Hillary Clinton's office Tuesday who were calling on the New York Democrat to adopt a more aggressive anti-Iraq stance.

In addition to the six arrested, nearly 50 other members of the all-women's group stood outside Clinton's office to show their disproval with the Democratic presidential candidates' stances on the war.

"The entire group then entered Clinton's office and effectively wove a web of pink yarn and ribbons to symbolize Clinton's web of lies," a statement from 'Code Pink,' said.

Clinton, who originally voted to authorize the war in 2003, has come out against the proposed troop increase and advocated capping Iraq troop levels at their Jan. 1 levels.

-- CNN Radio Correspondent Lisa Goddard

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3DHS / Re: The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
« on: August 18, 2007, 01:15:41 AM »
"Canadians live longer than Americans. Remember that"

did you not read the article? obviously not:

"It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health. Americans live 75.3 years on average, fewer than Canadians (77.3) or the French (76.6) or the citizens of any Western European nation save Portugal. Health care influences life expectancy, of course. But a life can end because of a murder, a fall, or a car accident. Such factors aren?t academic?homicide rates in the United States are much higher than in other countries (eight times higher than in France, for instance). In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country."

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3DHS / The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
« on: August 18, 2007, 12:45:41 AM »


The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
David Gratzer

Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux?a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body?and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin?s insurance didn?t: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies?in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.

When Aucoin appealed to an official ombudsman, the Ontario government claimed that her treatment was unproven and that she had gone to an unaccredited clinic. But the FDA in the U.S. had approved Erbitux, and her clinic was a cancer center affiliated with a prominent Catholic hospital in Buffalo. This January, the ombudsman ruled in Aucoin?s favor, awarding her the cost of treatment. She represents a dramatic new trend in Canadian health-care advocacy: finding the treatment you need in another country, and then fighting Canadian bureaucrats (and often suing) to get them to pick up the tab.

But if Canadians are looking to the United States for the care they need, Americans, ironically, are increasingly looking north for a viable health-care model. There?s no question that American health care, a mixture of private insurance and public programs, is a mess. Over the last five years, health-insurance premiums have more than doubled, leaving firms like General Motors on the brink of bankruptcy. Expensive health care has also hit workers in the pocketbook: it?s one of the reasons that median family income fell between 2000 and 2005 (despite a rise in overall labor costs). Health spending has surged past 16 percent of GDP. The number of uninsured Americans has risen, and even the insured seem dissatisfied. So it?s not surprising that some Americans think that solving the nation?s health-care woes may require adopting a Canadian-style single-payer system, in which the government finances and provides the care. Canadians, the seductive single-payer tune goes, not only spend less on health care; their health outcomes are better, too?life expectancy is longer, infant mortality lower.

Thus, Paul Krugman in the New York Times: ?Does this mean that the American way is wrong, and that we should switch to a Canadian-style single-payer system? Well, yes.? Politicians like Hillary Clinton are on board; Michael Moore?s new documentary Sicko celebrates the virtues of Canada?s socialized health care; the National Coalition on Health Care, which includes big businesses like AT&T, recently endorsed a scheme to centralize major health decisions to a government committee; and big unions are questioning the tenets of employer-sponsored health insurance. Some are tempted. Not me.

I was once a believer in socialized medicine. I don?t want to overstate my case: growing up in Canada, I didn?t spend much time contemplating the nuances of health economics. I wanted to get into medical school?my mind brimmed with statistics on MCAT scores and admissions rates, not health spending. But as a Canadian, I had soaked up three things from my environment: a love of ice hockey; an ability to convert Celsius into Fahrenheit in my head; and the belief that government-run health care was truly compassionate. What I knew about American health care was unappealing: high expenses and lots of uninsured people. When HillaryCare shook Washington, I remember thinking that the Clintonistas were right.

My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic?with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.

I decided to write about what I saw. By day, I attended classes and visited patients; at night, I worked on a book. Unfortunately, statistics on Canadian health care?s weaknesses were hard to come by, and even finding people willing to criticize the system was difficult, such was the emotional support that it then enjoyed. One family friend, diagnosed with cancer, was told to wait for potentially lifesaving chemotherapy. I called to see if I could write about his plight. Worried about repercussions, he asked me to change his name. A bit later, he asked if I could change his sex in the story, and maybe his town. Finally, he asked if I could change the illness, too.

My book?s thesis was simple: to contain rising costs, government-run health-care systems invariably restrict the health-care supply. Thus, at a time when Canada?s population was aging and needed more care, not less, cost-crunching bureaucrats had reduced the size of medical school classes, shuttered hospitals, and capped physician fees, resulting in hundreds of thousands of patients waiting for needed treatment?patients who suffered and, in some cases, died from the delays. The only solution, I concluded, was to move away from government command-and-control structures and toward a more market-oriented system. To capture Canadian health care?s growing crisis, I called my book Code Blue, the term used when a patient?s heart stops and hospital staff must leap into action to save him. Though I had a hard time finding a Canadian publisher, the book eventually came out in 1999 from a small imprint; it struck a nerve, going through five printings.

Nor were the problems I identified unique to Canada?they characterized all government-run health-care systems. Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it canceled?48 times.
More than 1 million Britons must wait for some type of care, with 200,000 in line for longer than six months. A while back, I toured a public hospital in Washington, D.C., with Tim Evans, a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe. The hospital was dark and dingy, but Evans observed that it was cleaner than anything in his native England. In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave?when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity?15,000 elderly citizens died. Across Europe, state-of-the-art drugs aren?t available. And so on.

But single-payer systems?confronting dirty hospitals, long waiting lists, and substandard treatment?are starting to crack. Today my book wouldn?t seem so provocative to Canadians, whose views on public health care are much less rosy than they were even a few years ago. Canadian newspapers are now filled with stories of people frustrated by long delays for care:

As if a taboo had lifted, government statistics on the health-care system?s problems are suddenly available. In fact, government researchers have provided the best data on the doctor shortage, noting, for example, that more than 1.5 million Ontarians (or 12 percent of that province?s population) can?t find family physicians. Health officials in one Nova Scotia community actually resorted to a lottery to determine who?d get a doctor?s appointment.

Dr. Jacques Chaoulli is at the center of this changing health-care scene. Standing at about five and a half feet and soft-spoken, he doesn?t seem imposing. But this accidental revolutionary has turned Canadian health care on its head. In the 1990s, recognizing the growing crisis of socialized care, Chaoulli organized a private Quebec practice?patients called him, he made house calls, and then he directly billed his patients. The local health board cried foul and began fining him. The legal status of private practice in Canada remained murky, but billing patients, rather than the government, was certainly illegal, and so was private insurance.

Chaoulli gave up his private practice but not the fight for private medicine. Trying to draw attention to Canada?s need for an alternative to government care, he began a hunger strike but quit after a month, famished but not famous. He wrote a couple of books on the topic, which sold dismally. He then came up with the idea of challenging the government in court. Because the lawyers whom he consulted dismissed the idea, he decided to make the legal case himself and enrolled in law school. He flunked out after a term. Undeterred, he found a sponsor for his legal fight (his father-in-law, who lives in Japan) and a patient to represent. Chaoulli went to court and lost. He appealed and lost again. He appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. And there?amazingly?he won.

Chaoulli was representing George Zeliotis, an elderly Montrealer forced to wait almost a year for a hip replacement. Zeliotis was in agony and taking high doses of opiates. Chaoulli maintained that the patient should have the right to pay for private health insurance and get treatment sooner. He based his argument on the Canadian equivalent of the Bill of Rights, as well as on the equivalent Quebec charter. The court hedged on the national question, but a majority agreed that Quebec?s charter did implicitly recognize such a right.

It?s hard to overstate the shock of the ruling. It caught the government completely off guard?officials had considered Chaoulli?s case so weak that they hadn?t bothered to prepare briefing notes for the prime minister in the event of his victory. The ruling wasn?t just shocking, moreover; it was potentially monumental, opening the way to more private medicine in Quebec. Though the prohibition against private insurance holds in the rest of the country for now, at least two people outside Quebec, armed with Chaoulli?s case as precedent, are taking their demand for private insurance to court.

Rick Baker helps people, and sometimes even saves lives. He describes a man who had a seizure and received a diagnosis of epilepsy. Dissatisfied with the opinion?he had no family history of epilepsy, but he did have constant headaches and nausea, which aren?t usually seen in the disorder?the man requested an MRI. The government told him that the wait would be four and a half months. So he went to Baker, who arranged to have the MRI done within 24 hours?and who, after the test discovered a brain tumor, arranged surgery within a few weeks.

Baker isn?t a neurosurgeon or even a doctor. He?s a medical broker, one member of a private sector that is rushing in to address the inadequacies of Canada?s government care. Canadians pay him to set up surgical procedures, diagnostic tests, and specialist consultations, privately and quickly. ?I don?t have a medical background. I just have some common sense,? he explains. ?I don?t need to be a doctor for what I do. I?m just expediting care.?

He tells me stories of other people whom his British Columbia?based company, Timely Medical Alternatives, has helped?people like the elderly woman who needed vascular surgery for a major artery in her abdomen and was promised prompt care by one of the most senior bureaucrats in the government, who never called back. ?Her doctor told her she?s going to die,? Baker remembers. So Timely got her surgery in a couple of days, in Washington State. Then there was the eight-year-old badly in need of a procedure to help correct her deafness. After watching her surgery get bumped three times, her parents called Timely. She?s now back at school, her hearing partly restored. ?The father said, ?Mr. Baker, my wife and I are in agreement that your star shines the brightest in our heaven,? ? Baker recalls. ?I told that story to a government official. He shrugged. He couldn?t fucking care less.?

Not everyone has kind words for Baker. A woman from a union-sponsored health coalition, writing in a local paper, denounced him for ?profiting from people?s misery.? When I bring up the comment, he snaps: ?I?m profiting from relieving misery.? Some of the services that Baker brokers almost certainly contravene Canadian law, but governments are loath to stop him. ?What I am doing could be construed as civil disobedience,? he says. ?There comes a time when people need to lead the government.?

Baker isn?t alone: other private-sector health options are blossoming across Canada, and the government is increasingly turning a blind eye to them, too, despite their often uncertain legal status. Private clinics are opening at a rate of about one a week. Companies like MedCan now offer ?corporate medicals? that include an array of diagnostic tests and a referral to Johns Hopkins, if necessary. Insurance firms sell critical-illness insurance, giving policyholders a lump-sum payment in the event of a major diagnosis; since such policyholders could, in theory, spend the money on anything they wanted, medical or not, the system doesn?t count as health insurance and is therefore legal. Testifying to the changing nature of Canadian health care, Baker observes that securing prompt care used to mean a trip south. These days, he says, he?s able to get 80 percent of his clients care in Canada, via the private sector.

Another sign of transformation: Canadian doctors, long silent on the health-care system?s problems, are starting to speak up. Last August, they voted Brian Day president of their national association. A former socialist who counts Fidel Castro as a personal acquaintance, Day has nevertheless become perhaps the most vocal critic of Canadian public health care, having opened his own private surgery center as a remedy for long waiting lists and then challenged the government to shut him down. ?This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week,? he fumed to the New York Times, ?and in which humans can wait two to three years.?

And now even Canadian governments are looking to the private sector to shrink the waiting lists. Day?s clinic, for instance, handles workers?-compensation cases for employees of both public and private corporations. In British Columbia, private clinics perform roughly 80 percent of government-funded diagnostic testing. In Ontario, where fealty to socialized medicine has always been strong, the government recently hired a private firm to staff a rural hospital?s emergency room.

This privatizing trend is reaching Europe, too. Britain?s government-run health care dates back to the 1940s. Yet the Labour Party?which originally created the National Health Service and used to bristle at the suggestion of private medicine, dismissing it as ?Americanization??now openly favors privatization. Sir William Wells, a senior British health official, recently said: ?The big trouble with a state monopoly is that it builds in massive inefficiencies and inward-looking culture.? Last year, the private sector provided about 5 percent of Britain?s nonemergency procedures; Labour aims to triple that percentage by 2008. The Labour government also works to voucherize certain surgeries, offering patients a choice of four providers, at least one private. And in a recent move, the government will contract out some primary care services, perhaps to American firms such as UnitedHealth Group and Kaiser Permanente.

Sweden?s government, after the completion of the latest round of privatizations, will be contracting out some 80 percent of Stockholm?s primary care and 40 percent of its total health services, including one of the city?s largest hospitals. Since the fall of Communism, Slovakia has looked to liberalize its state-run system, introducing co-payments and privatizations. And modest market reforms have begun in Germany: increasing co-pays, enhancing insurance competition, and turning state enterprises over to the private sector (within a decade, only a minority of German hospitals will remain under state control). It?s important to note that change in these countries is slow and gradual?market reforms remain controversial. But if the United States was once the exception for viewing a vibrant private sector in health care as essential, it is so no longer.

Yet even as Stockholm and Saskatoon are percolating with the ideas of Adam Smith, a growing number of prominent Americans are arguing that socialized health care still provides better results for less money. ?Americans tend to believe that we have the best health care system in the world,? writes Krugman in the New York Times. ?But it isn?t true. We spend far more per person on health care . . . yet rank near the bottom among industrial countries in indicators from life expectancy to infant mortality.?

One often hears variations on Krugman?s argument?that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use, and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health. Americans live 75.3 years on average, fewer than Canadians (77.3) or the French (76.6) or the citizens of any Western European nation save Portugal. Health care influences life expectancy, of course. But a life can end because of a murder, a fall, or a car accident. Such factors aren?t academic?homicide rates in the United States are much higher than in other countries (eight times higher than in France, for instance). In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don?t die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.

And if we measure a health-care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels. Five-year cancer survival rates bear this out. For leukemia, the American survival rate is almost 50 percent; the European rate is just 35 percent. Esophageal carcinoma: 12 percent in the United States, 6 percent in Europe. The survival rate for prostate cancer is 81.2 percent here, yet 61.7 percent in France and down to 44.3 percent in England?a striking variation.

Like many critics of American health care, though, Krugman argues that the costs are just too high: ?In 2002 . . . the United States spent $5,267 on health care for each man, woman, and child.? Health-care spending in Canada and Britain, he notes, is a small fraction of that. Again, the picture isn?t quite as clear as he suggests; because the U.S. is so much wealthier than other countries, it isn?t unreasonable for it to spend more on health care. Take America?s high spending on research and development. M. D. Anderson in Texas, a prominent cancer center, spends more on research than Canada does.

That said, American health care is expensive. And Americans aren?t always getting a good deal. In the coming years, with health expenses spiraling up, it will be easy for some?like the zealous legislators in California?to give in to the temptation of socialized medicine. In Washington, there are plenty of old pieces of legislation that like-minded politicians could take off the shelf, dust off, and promote: expanding Medicare to Americans 55 and older, say, or covering all children in Medicaid.

But such initiatives would push the United States further down the path to a government-run system and make things much, much worse. True, government bureaucrats would be able to cut costs?but only by shrinking access to health care, as in Canada, and engendering a Canadian-style nightmare of overflowing emergency rooms and yearlong waits for treatment. America is right to seek a model for delivering good health care at good prices, but we should be looking not to Canada, but close to home?in the other four-fifths or so of our economy. From telecommunications to retail, deregulation and market competition have driven prices down and quality and productivity up. Health care is long overdue for the same prescription.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

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3DHS / Re: The New Myth About Climate Change
« on: August 17, 2007, 10:21:19 PM »

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3DHS / Re: Welcome to Pottersville
« on: August 17, 2007, 08:02:00 PM »
lol..ought to be intersting what the Left will say to this?

oh they will break it down to some segment that is not happy, as you can with any study but the botton line remains 94%

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3DHS / Sunni Insurgents battle Al Qaeda In Iraq
« on: August 17, 2007, 07:58:28 PM »
Iraq Report: Sunni insurgents vs. al Qaeda in Diyala

August 16, 2007
By Bill Roggio

Al Qaeda in Iraq continues to face opposition from Sunni insurgent groups. In the Buhriz district in Diyala province, the 1920s Revolution Brigades assisted Iraqi police in fending off an attack of upwards of 60 al Qaeda fighters. Multinational Forces Iraq identified the Sunni insurgents as the "Baqubah Guardians," however IraqSlogger reported the al-Ishreen Revolution Brigades (1920s Revolution Brigades) engaged in the fight. Multinational Forces Iraq described the fighting, and notes the coordination between the insurgent group, the local police, and US attack helicopters:

In an unprecedented combined action in Diyala Province, Iraqi police and citizen volunteers defeated a coordinated attack of approximately 40-60 al-Qaeda terrorists in the southern Burhitz area of Baqubah, Wednesday, and killed an estimated 21 insurgents, wounding more.

As the terrorists entered the city of Burhitz, a group of concerned local citizens, called ?Baqubah Guardians,? and IPs stationed in Burhitz engaged the first wave of attackers, killing seven. At least two suicide bombers were killed before they reached their intended targets, with the bomb vests detonating prematurely.

The IP notified the Provincial Joint Coordination Center and requested Coalition Force attack helicopter support after the first engagement. Attack helicopters arrived and engaged another large group of heavily armed fighters staging near the first attack site, killing or wounding an estimated 14 terrorists.

The 1920s Revolution Brigades previous drove al Qaeda in Iraq out of Buhriz, with the help of US forces. The battles between the 1920s Revolution Brigades and al Qaeda began in April. The Anbar Salvation Council, through its ties in the 1920s Revolution Brigades, helped organize the anti-al Qaeda resistance in Buhriz. As these groups work with the US and Iraqi security forces, they are being integrated as local police or as provincial security forces.

The degree to which Sunni insurgent groups have turned against al Qaeda and are working with US troops and Iraqi security forces is an underreported story in the war. Approximately 25,000 Sunni insurgents from groups such as the 1920s Revolution Brigades, the Jaysh Mohammed, and the Islamic Army of Iraq have turned against al Qaeda at the behest of their tribal leaders. "Tribe members and others who agree to support Iraq's government have to sign a pledge form and consent to biometric scans of their fingerprints and retinas so their data can be kept on file," USA Today reported on August 6. "They are also vetted by the Iraqi government."

The strategy of turning the tribes and insurgent groups has been successful in Anbar, and is being applied inside Baghdad, Diyala, Salahadin, Ninewa, and Babil province. This is reconciliation at the micro level. Al Qaeda is threatened by this development and is actively targeting members of groups that have turned on them.

Al Qaeda in Iraq's heinous multiple suicide on the Yazidi villages near Singar in Ninewa province on Tuesday is the single greatest mass casualty strike since the war began. The initial reports of 175 killed have climbed to at least 400 killed, with the Kuwaiti News Agency reporting over 500 killed and 375 wounded.

Col. Stephen Twitty, commander of the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, warns that it is too soon to know the death toll. ?So far the accounting of casualties has been very speculative,? said Col .Twitty. ?The villagers and rescue workers are still trying to find those missing; and their efforts, and those of the local, provincial and central government leadership, along with the ISF here, have been tremendous." Multinational Forces Iraq estimates are 275 killed and 400 wounded.

The Kurdish Regional Government has stepped in and deployed about two companies, numbering about 340 troops total, of the Kurdish Regional Guards to provide additional security in the region. US troops and Iraqi Army soldiers from the 3rd Division are providing assistance to the recovery effort, and US air assets are providing air transportation to the wounded.

Elsewhere in the North, two civilians were killed and 33 wounded in a simultaneous, dual roadside bombing strike in the city of Kirkuk. The attacks bear the hallmark of al Qaeda in Iraq, which has been working to stir up sectarian tensions since Iraqi and Coalition launched major offensives against the terror group starting June 15.

US and Iraqi security forces have launched two sweeps against al Qaeda in the North since the bombings in the Yazidi villages. Iraqi soldiers from the 3rd Brigade, 3rd Division, which is based in northern Ninewa province, captured seven suspected terrorists in the village of Abu Bareyj on August 14. Iraqi security forces captured eight terrorists during raids in Mosul and the Hamrin Ridge region. A sniper cell leader in Mosul and the leader of an Al Qaeda in Iraq terrorist smuggling cell in the Hamrin Ridge region were among those captured during the raids. Further south in Balad, US forces killed six al Qaeda operatives and captured 26 during a series of operations from August 9-14.

On the Shia terror group front, Coalition forces captured "a highly sought Special Groups weapons facilitator before dawn Thursday northeast of Baghdad." Three Special Groups operatives were killed and five others were captured during the raid. "The captured high priority individual was responsible for smuggling explosively formed penetrators (EFP), Katusha rockets and other weapons from Iran into Iraq," Multinational Forces Iraq reported. "The target was also responsible for the distribution of those weapons to Special Groups and extremist militants operating throughout Baghdad. The weapons smuggler had direct ties to senior militant leaders and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps-Qods Force." The Special Groups are essential Iraqi-born Qods force operatives.

http://billroggio.com/dailyiraqreport/2007/08/iraq_report_sunni_insurgents_v.php

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3DHS / Re: Welcome to Pottersville
« on: August 17, 2007, 07:49:40 PM »
Conservatism is having its way.  You must all be beaming with pride.

yep



HAPPY DAYS HERE AGAIN

By CHRIS MICHAUD

August 15, 2007 -- A surprising 94 percent of Americans say they are satisfied with their lives -
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08152007/news/regionalnews/happy_days_here_again_regionalnews_chris_michaud.htm



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3DHS / Re: The New Myth About Climate Change
« on: August 17, 2007, 07:35:37 PM »
as recently as 1994 the scare mongers were worrying about an ice age



The Ice Age Cometh?
Monday, Jan. 31, 1994
By MICHAEL D. LEMONICK

Just as last week's tremors were destroying highways, buildings and lives in Southern California, an even deadlier natural disaster was advancing slowly but inexorably south from Canada into the U.S. By midweek a huge mass of frigid arctic air had practically paralyzed much of the Midwest and East. Temperatures in dozens of cities dropped to all-time lows: -22 degreesF in Pittsburgh; -25 degrees in Akron, Ohio, and Clarksburg, West Virginia; -27 degrees in Indianapolis, Indiana. Chicago schools closed because of cold weather for the first time in history, Federal Government offices shut down in Washington, and East Coast cities narrowly escaped widespread power outages as overburdened electric utilities struggled to keep homes heated. Hundreds of motorists in New Jersey had to be rescued by snowmobile from an impassably icy highway, and thousands of the homeless crammed into New York City's shelters to avoid freezing. By week's end the unprecedented cold wave had killed more than 130 people.

There is a growing understanding as well that ice ages are not uniformly icy, nor interglacial periods unchangingly warm. About 40,000 years ago, for example, right in the middle of the last Ice Age, the world warmed briefly, forcing glaciers to retreat. And while the current interglacial period has been stably temperate, the previous one, according to at least one study, was evidently interrupted by frigid spells lasting hundreds of years. If that period was more typical than the present one, humanity's invention of agriculture, and thus civilization, may have been possible only because of a highly unusual period of stable temperature -- a fluke.

Just 150 years ago, the notion that much of the Northern Hemisphere had once been covered by thick sheets of ice was both new and highly controversial. Within a few decades, though, most scientists were convinced and began looking for explanations. Several suggested that astronomical cycles were involved, and by the 1930s the Yugoslav astronomer Milutin Milankovitch had constructed a coherent theory. The ice ages, he argued, were triggered by changes in the shape of the earth's slightly oval orbit around the sun and in the planet's axis of rotation. Studies of the chemical composition of ocean-floor sediments, which depend on climate conditions when the material was laid down, more or less supported Milankovitch's predicted schedule of global glaciation.

According to Milankovitch cycles, an ice age could start sometime within the next 1,000 or 2,000 years. But geophysicists have realized for years that while the cycles are real, and influence climate, they alone cannot explain ice ages. For one thing, Milankovitch's timing of glaciation may be broadly correct, but major glacial episodes happen when his cycles call for minor ones, and vice versa.

Besides, a simple astronomical model would predict smooth and gradual climate transitions -- the opposite of what really happens. The last Ice Age was in full retreat about 13,000 years ago when temperatures suddenly reversed and began heading lower again. They stayed low for 1,000 years, an episode known as the Younger Dryas period. The periodic "spikes" of warmer weather that have interrupted ice ages and the cold weather that often came on suddenly in the last interglacial period are also impossible to explain with astronomy. And so is the astonishingly rapid changeover from warm to cold.

A number of theories have been floated to explain these irregular, rapid variations. The leading one, advanced by Lamont-Doherty's Wallace Broecker and George Denton of the University of Maine, involves a kind of cyclic ocean current that has been likened to a conveyer belt. Broecker and Denton note that a stream of unusually salty (and thus especially dense) water flows underneath the Gulf Stream as it moves from the tropics to the North Atlantic. When this salty stream reaches the far north, it is forced to the surface as water above it is blown aside by the winds; it then discharges its tropical heat into the arctic air, cools off and sinks to the bottom, where it returns to the tropics to be heated again


What ever happened to global warming? Scientists have issued apocalyptic warnings for years, claiming that gases from cars, power plants and factories are creating a greenhouse effect that will boost the temperature dangerously over the next 75 years or so. But if last week is any indication of winters to come, it might be more to the point to start worrying about the next Ice Age instead. After all, human-induced warming is still largely theoretical, while ice ages are an established part of the planet's history. The last one ended about 10,000 years ago; the next one -- for there will be a next one -- could start tens of thousands of years from now. Or tens of years. Or it may have already started.

There is no way of knowing yet: an entire winter of record-shattering cold, let alone a single week, might be a meaningless blip in the overall scheme of long-term climate trends. In fact, last week's cold wave was caused by a phenomenon that is by no means rare. The jet stream, a stratospheric wind that governs the movement of air over North America, dipped temporarily south of its usual course. As it did so, the stream pulled along a vast high-pressure system from Siberia and the Arctic Ocean.

If that starts happening more and more often, though, it might mean that something bigger is going on. Climatologists once thought the world eased into ice ages, with average temperatures in parts of the Northern Hemisphere falling 15 degrees over hundreds or thousands of years. During long, frigid winters and short, cool summers, snow piled up much faster than it could melt, and mile-thick sheets of ice gradually covered much of the planet's land surface. After 100,000 years or so, scientists believed, the glaciers made a dignified retreat, stayed put for about 10,000 years and then began to grow again.

But over the past several years, researchers have dug deep into Atlantic sea-floor sediments and Greenland glaciers to study the chemistry of ancient mud and ice, and they are increasingly convinced that climate change is anything but smooth. The transition from warm to frigid can come in a decade or two -- a geological snap of the fingers. Says Gerard Bond, a geophysicist at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Observatory: "The data have been coming out of Greenland for maybe two or three decades. But the first results were really so surprising that people weren't ready to believe them."

It is this current, argue Broecker and Denton, that keeps the Arctic relatively warm and glacier free. When it stops running, an ice age -- or a cold spike -- begins. What causes a turnoff? An influx of fresh water might do it, by diluting the saltiness and density of the current, preventing it from sinking and heading back to the tropics. There is evidence that at just the time the Younger Dryas began, a huge North American lake (which no longer exists) began dumping Amazonian quantities of fresh water into the North Atlantic. The discharge stopped about 1,000 years later, as did the Younger Dryas. Broecker and Denton's model, says Penn State's Richard Alley, an expert on Greenland ice cores, "is probably the trigger for these abrupt changes."

Nobody knows what other factors might help trigger climate shifts, and how sensitive they are. "It scares us," says Alley. "We know that there are times when climate is very delicately poised. We know that for the past 8,000 or 10,000 years, it hasn't flipped over. But we don't really understand it well enough to say whether it's really stable or whether we are on thin ice."

In short, while there is no reason to think the next full-fledged Ice Age is upon us, a shorter episode of frigid conditions could happen at any time. The last interglacial period was warmer than this one and also, arguably, more unstable. It is conceivable that the greenhouse effect could heat up the planet for a while but then trigger changes that could plunge the earth into a sudden chill. And for an idea of what a mini-Ice Age might be like, just imagine last week's cold wave lasting all winter, every winter -- for the next thousand years.

With reporting by David Bjerklie/New York

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"I'd use my jedi mind powers to defeat terrorism"

exactly what I thought



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Don't confuse calm analysis for complacence.

specifically what would you do to counter and respond to another 9/11?

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and there are actually people that want to turn our healthcare over to these nuts!

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