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3DHS / Re: The CBO "issue"....
« Last post by Plane on March 22, 2017, 10:29:20 PM »
Actually the tax payers aren't so much stuck with paying as much as the Hospital ER's are simply screwed out of getting reimbursed for their services, since they are under legal requirement to care for anyone that comes into their ER


Depending on how you look at it.

The service is government mandated , that is a tax.

The cost is passed along to other customers.
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3DHS / Re: Fear Mongering 101.....the left's calling card
« Last post by Christians4LessGvt on March 22, 2017, 09:06:42 PM »
Where the hell is the media to pounce on these politicans on where they're coming up with such fear pushing rhetoric??

Yep SIRS....unfortunately most of the media are just surrogates of the Democratic Party. However it's quite clear the American People realize this.
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3DHS / Fear Mongering 101.....the left's calling card
« Last post by sirs on March 21, 2017, 07:55:10 PM »
When you listen to leftist pundits & politicians like NY Mayor DeBlasio or CA congresscritter De Leon, you'd think they were preparing their constituencies for some SWAT-like round-up of anyone, including infant children, here illegally.  Criticizing acts not just not happeneing, but at no time ever advocated as pending policy.

Thus their efforts to adopt actual legal sanctuary city or even sanctuary state jargon....to "protect" those poor defenseless children, just trying to leave school to get home to their mothers

Where the hell is the media to pounce on these politicans on where they're coming up with such fear pushing rhetoric??
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3DHS / Re: "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one in debate forums"
« Last post by Christians4LessGvt on March 21, 2017, 11:14:32 AM »
Freeloader is only part of the reason...

Do we really need tens of millions more people here?

Why?

Like SIRS says they drive down wages for blue collar Americans

Millions more are additional burdens on our infrastructure, our schools, our hospitals, our roads, our environment , etc..etc..

Why?

Because the one-world globalists (anti America First) want an "EU" type situation for North America.

One World - Globalism is a global welfare system that has roots in colonial guilt.

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3DHS / Re: "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one in debate forums"
« Last post by sirs on March 21, 2017, 02:55:46 AM »
The "freeloader" charge is so low on the totem poll of why folks like myself are so adamant about enforcing our immigration laws.  MOST folks that come here illegally, work damn hard....and its that reason that keeps wages down so low, because they are exploited for that purpose. 

Border enforcement 1st.....and let's refer to it as "comprehensive" border enforcement
- a wall
- e-verify implimentation
- deportation of violent criminal illegal immigrants
- staunch prosecution of businesses that actively hire illegal immigrants

THEN, we can start overhauling the actual immigration process
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3DHS / Re: "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one in debate forums"
« Last post by kimba1 on March 21, 2017, 01:51:15 AM »
Exploited is a exception since the freeloader charge is used for the bulk of the reason illegals should not be here and that definately weight in the enforcement of laws.
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3DHS / Re: The CBO "issue"....
« Last post by sirs on March 19, 2017, 11:42:14 PM »
Actually the tax payers aren't so much stuck with paying as much as the Hospital ER's are simply screwed out of getting reimbursed for their services, since they are under legal requirement to care for anyone that comes into their ER
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3DHS / Re: The CBO "issue"....
« Last post by Christians4LessGvt on March 19, 2017, 07:46:25 PM »
the mandate that they MUST LEGALLY have insurance, or be deemed out of compliance, and literally be penalized under Obamacare, is removed....

I struggle with this...

I think many people "that can't afford health insurance" really can afford it, but they make other life choices....new cars, flat screen TV's, vacations, and then when they get sick they flood our emergency rooms and the responsible citizens are stuck with the bill.
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3DHS / The CBO "issue"....
« Last post by sirs on March 19, 2017, 05:10:39 PM »
Of course the Democrats are pouncing on the CBO report, proclaiming how so may are going to "lose" their coverage under the pending GOP legislation of replacement.  Just a few points of contention

a) despite initial claims, by no other than Pelosi no less, it would seem that "success" of Obamacare is simply how many people are insured, not the quality of that care or the skyrocketing premiums

b) the CBO report doesn't (actually can't until its actually in place) acknowledge the massive cost savings that would occur when individuals can actually purchase their healthcare insurance across state lines

c) and lastly, and for me, most importantly, the reason for such a proclamation that people will "lose" their coverage, is that the mandate that they MUST LEGALLY have insurance, or be deemed out of compliance, and literally be penalized under Obamacare, is removed....as in people that have "lost" their coverage, never actually lost it, they're simply no longer added by the CBO as going to have been mandated to have it.

I'm still no fan of the plan, as the Government still has too many fingers in the broth, but at the very least, the freedom to choose and access what people want, and don't want, will be back in play again
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