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Plane

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« on: August 02, 2010, 06:28:39 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/us_old_family_farm


I would bet that the death tax has been paid four or five times on this place , conservatively then the place has been paid for three times over.

Michael Tee

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2010, 07:20:31 AM »
<<Lucy Tuttle's grandfather, William Penn Tuttle, built the original 20-acre parcel to about 200 acres, growing more produce than the family needed and selling it in nearby towns — first on a horse and buggy.>>

20 acres???  That Charles I was a real cheapskate.  The original settlers of the Province of Ontario each got two hundred acres of Crown land to clear and farm.

But I guess either way is better than what the Indians got out of it.  It's amazing how history is told from the POV of the "winners."   The sturdy, industrious white farmers, clearing the land and farming it for eleven generations.  The real story should also have included eleven generations of misery and degradation that engulfed the original inhabitants, but they're not even mentioned.  Who the hell were they and what happened to them?  Are there any alive today?  Do the Tuttles even think about them?

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Re: Tuttle
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 04:15:57 AM »
<<Lucy Tuttle's grandfather, William Penn Tuttle, built the original 20-acre parcel to about 200 acres, growing more produce than the family needed and selling it in nearby towns — first on a horse and buggy.>>

20 acres???  That Charles I was a real cheapskate.  The original settlers of the Province of Ontario each got two hundred acres of Crown land to clear and farm.

But I guess either way is better than what the Indians got out of it.  It's amazing how history is told from the POV of the "winners."   The sturdy, industrious white farmers, clearing the land and farming it for eleven generations.  The real story should also have included eleven generations of misery and degradation that engulfed the original inhabitants, but they're not even mentioned.  Who the hell were they and what happened to them?  Are there any alive today?  Do the Tuttles even think about them?

How did Ontarioans defend two hundred acres from Indians?

There is a little apple and orange problem , because of length of growing season and general fertility lots further south can produce more food per acre , if the diffrence is a magnitude of ten then the value for farming is even.

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2010, 04:23:23 AM »
Come to think of it , in these terms.


The Indians were not paying tax.

The Tuttles paid tax for generations.


This may be the basic reason thatt he government preferred the Tuttles.

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2010, 09:34:24 AM »
<<How did Ontarioans defend two hundred acres from Indians?>>

The Indians got pretty big reserves.  A lot of them came north with the British after the American Revolution and settled in an area about sixty miles west of my home.  I don't think there was any fighting with them in Ontario but I really don't know for sure.  That's a huge part of our history that is just missing from our educational system.  Maybe kids today learn more about it, but I sure as hell didn't.

<<There is a little apple and orange problem , because of length of growing season and general fertility lots further south can produce more food per acre , if the diffrence is a magnitude of ten then the value for farming is even.>>

That's a good point.  Maybe the Indians never wanted to farm anyway.  I think they were mainly hunter-gatherers, although now they can't really live like that any more.  That's why they're all fucked up on drugs and alcohol with the highest suicide rate in the country.  But I've seen some government programs to turn their situation around and they're also engaged in self-help and cultural recovery initiatives as well.  Long-term is good, their population in on the up-swing, but short-term is still not very good.  Personally I think that self-help and cultural revival will help most.  The whites tried for a long time to make them abandon their culture, with what I think were disastrous effects.