Washington Times: Lawmaker to take oath on Koran, faces flak

[Amianthus]

Friday, December 01, 2006
Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, will take his oath of office on the Koran, not the Bible. Although some have criticized the Minnesota Democrat's decision, his campaign manager cites historical precedent in describing it as a nonissue.
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[Brassmask]

I mean, what kind of world are we living in when SHABAZZ is the sanest person in a three way interview?

And if there was ever any doubt that the whole war on terror isn't a war on Islam, this clip dismissess it.  Hannity says that if someone uses the Koran for a swearing in, what's to stop someone from using "Mein Kampf"?  Good grief.  And then in the photos they flash, they have one of Keith Ellison in a bombsniffing machine at the airport implying that he is a terrorist.

Hannity shouldn't be allowed to WATCH television, much less be on it daily.

This situation proves they want to endorse christianity as the state religion.  And Shabazz is right, we should more towards NO BOOK.

Watch this.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/12/01/dennis-prager-please-go-away/


Dennis Prager eats a bowl of Zombie brains
By: John Amato @ 12:11 AM - PST     
 The more the Conservative movement has Prager speaking for them, the more they will shrink in the minds of Americans. Well, do ya think? On Hannity & Colmes, he tried to make sense out of his insane rant against Keith Ellison, D-Minn—who's only offense is to want to use the Koran when he gets sworn in. Hannity proclaims that this could lead some other Rep-elect to be sworn in with Hitler's "Mein Kampf." "Where does this stop?" asks Hannity—I kid you not. Oh—and he says it's not about politics…Scratching my head I ask what is it about?

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Mr. Shabazz called Prager narrow minded and ignorant. Any thoughts or opinions? He then reminds Hannity that Foley and Delay committed acts of corruption after swearing on a bible and Hannity interrupts the thought and says once again that it's not about politics…I have to stop now or I'll start eating zombie brains too…

[_JS]

I'm surprised that we don't have a non-religious oath of office. Richard Nixon was a Quaker and it is absolutely against their religion to swear an oath (they I don't think he was a practicing Quaker). I see no reason a Muslim Congressman cannot use the Koran.

I've found that most people who bring up Mein Kampf in a conversation have never read it.

Hitler speaking on the depravity of modern society:

Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth … Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.

Hitler on what made Christianity great. He often spoke about the decline of Christianity in Europe.

The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine.

Hitler on marriage

A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.

[domer]

As Ami implies, the swearing on the Koran issue is a nonissue. I mean, really, any critic of the practice has no comprehension of our fundamental values. I mean, I'd even applaud if Ellison's wife attended the ceremony in a burqa, or if Ellison himself faced Mecca and prayed after the service.

[Brassmask]

I'm surprised that we don't have a non-religious oath of office. Richard Nixon was a Quaker and it is absolutely against their religion to swear an oath (they I don't think he was a practicing Quaker). I see no reason a Muslim Congressman cannot use the Koran.

I've found that most people who bring up Mein Kampf in a conversation have never read it.

Hitler speaking on the depravity of modern society:

Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth … Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.

Hitler on what made Christianity great. He often spoke about the decline of Christianity in Europe.

The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine.

Hitler on marriage

A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.

Well, that first one is not something I would agree.  I like fantasy in my art sometimes but I also like to see CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF and PULP FICTION once in a while.

I had a period I went through where I almost respected religion for the very reason that he states there.  In religion, there is no waffling or wishy washiness for the most part.  It has rules and those are the rules.  End of discussion.  Don't like it?  Get in this Iron Maiden.  (Of course, Iron Maidens aren't used much these days but they still have ex-communication and modern ostracization.)  But very quickly I realized that it was just a crazy form of fascism.

And how about that?  HITLER wanted to protect the institution of marriage.  Hmmm, where have I heard that phrase lately?

[Plane]

I don't see the choice of holy book as an issue .

If this guy is Muslim and his oath is serious then a Koran is appropriate.


I would not object to a guy chooseing Mein Kaumph or Karma Sutra either.

As long as it was not secret to the electoriate what their attitude was while they were appealing for the vote , the real man is what should be elected and his oath should be what he feels binding.

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I don't see the choice of holy book as an issue . If this guy is Muslim and his oath is serious then a Koran is appropriate. I would not object to a guy chooseing Mein Kaumph or Karma Sutra either. As long as it was not secret to the electoriate what their attitude was while they were appealing for the vote , the real man is what should be elected and his oath should be what he feels binding.

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<p> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/prager-muslim-ellison/
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<p>This religious fanatic disagrees.
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  <h2 class="title">Pundit Admits Forcing Congressman To Swear In With Bible ‘May Well Be’ Unconstitutional
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    <img src="http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/prager.jpg" class="imgright" />Right-wing talk show host Dennis Prager has raised a firestorm charging that Rep.-elect Kieth Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, must swear in using a Bible. He said that if Ellison swears in with a Quran, it would undermine “American civilization” and be akin to swearing in with a copy of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.”
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  <p>In an interview with USA Today, Prager acknowledged that “trying to ban Ellison from choosing to use a Quran ‘may well be’ unconstitutional.” As various commentators have pointed out, Prager’s demand violates the Constitution’s provision that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
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  <p>Also, as ThinkProgress noted yesterday, the entire controversy is moot, since the swearing-in ceremony for the House of Representatives never includes a religious book.
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  <p>Nevertheless, Prager said today “that he’s going to keep pressing the issue,” and that he’ll “be writing and talking about this issue again.” In a show of support, the American Family Association has launched a campaign urging Congress “to pass a law making the Bible the book used in the swearing-in ceremony of representatives and senators.”
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[Plane]

His oath of Office will be to defend the Constitution.



If the Koran makes it more binding for him than I am not against it.


Every now and then I suppose someone is elected who does not beleive that there are truely any eternal consequences for breaking an oath, should we just accept such a person with no oath?

[terra]

I have seen jr. congress persons sworn in and...they do not swear on any book... they are sworn in together...all the new congress people..and they just raise their hands. So what a pile of ditto head poo.

terra

[Amianthus]

I have seen jr. congress persons sworn in and...they do not swear on any book... they are sworn in together...all the new congress people..and they just raise their hands. So what a pile of ditto head poo.

So, you're saying that this didn't happen?