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kimba1

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question about scammers
« on: June 06, 2012, 12:05:43 PM »
the news lately have shown tons of scammers are out there . I`ve notice very little concern such activity exist. bernie madoff is responsible for the closure of many charities.

my question is why do people feel so little concern about this . I believe this is why so many scammers exist.

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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 12:54:13 PM »
Bernie Madoff was not a charity.

People are donating less, because the economy is not as good as it was. Anyone can investigate the reputation of a charity online and make sure it is not a scam.

I do not think Madoff has much to do with this.

I suspect that extremely secretive investment hedge funds that refuse to reveal what they are investing in or their methods have fewer customers. Madoff claimed to have a secret proprietary way of investing that enabled him to get a return of 8-10% annually.

I know I would never have considered investing with anything like Madoff's hedge fund.
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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 02:05:48 PM »
actually he was several charities. he opened and supported many and because of his involvement alot og them are gone now. I recall one modern art museum is gone because of him. the damage he done was fairly far reaching.


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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 02:50:01 PM »
Madoff scammed several charities, it is true. But again, there are ways of investigating charities.
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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 04:47:25 PM »
I getting at the fact the victims loss is so large it`s effect the rest of us. just saying they should know better is not stopping people into falling into these scams.

I`ve seen my fairshare of cons
ex. 3 card monte, ring trick, hankerchif

all these are highly depend of outside folks never getting involved. when somebody says mind your own business always expect trouble is going to happen.

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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 04:55:52 PM »
Three card monte is ALWAYS a scam. There is nearly always a shill who "wins", which causes the dimmer of the spectators to enter the game, thinking they can win as well.
 
This is a sleight of hand game, like the shell game with the three cups and the "pea".
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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 08:27:49 PM »
dimmer,
to a degree yes, but more like vulnerbility to pressure tactics. one guy will pressure the mark into placing the bet and keep  at it till she or he finally puts the money down. it`s not just intelligence.

it`s way more nicer than timeshare sales or heald university though.

remember the elderly tend to be the prefered mark.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2012, 08:41:16 PM by kimba1 »

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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 01:02:03 AM »
I recall once in Santo Domingo there was this guy who had over a hundred people watching his magic act, which was pretty good.

After a while, he picked about 20 people out of the crowd, including me, and gave each one a tiny vial, which he told us to hold until it got warm. Then he started interviewing people. My vial never actually got warm. When he got to me, he told me that the vial told him that I would use the use of my right leg if I did not go through some ritual that he would perform the following day at an address he handed me He was very charismatic.

The next day I thought about seeing him but I figured that he was basically con man, and could not have any healing powers, so I got on a bus and left Santo Domingo, which I had planned to do all along.
 I can understand how people can be really convincing. When anyone tells me to do something right away, because the opportunity will disappear if I don't, I never do anything.

A week later, I walked by the address, which was down a pretty dark alley.

I never had trouble with my leg. I sprained my other knee once, thirty years later.

The key to a good con job is to get people to act immediately out of some sort of desperation, I think.
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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 02:04:43 AM »
The worst is the tea trick

Have an elderly person dip thier finger in a cup of tea and if the mark feel dizzy then say you are very sick and offer a cure for a very large sum.

The tea is a quick acting poison that causes dizzyness. That actually happened on my town, i'm very confident they are lucky they were caught. If they were found out by anyone but the law,it would be ugly.

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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 08:55:21 AM »
I have never heard of the tea trick, and I will avoid dipping my finger in teacups as a result of having learned this.

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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 01:07:02 PM »
The worst is the tea trick

Have an elderly person dip thier finger in a cup of tea and if the mark feel dizzy then say you are very sick and offer a cure for a very large sum.

The tea is a quick acting poison that causes dizzyness. That actually happened on my town, i'm very confident they are lucky they were caught. If they were found out by anyone but the law,it would be ugly.

Wow!  That is very bad.

How were they caught?

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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 01:15:59 PM »
When you say this happened in your town, which town was that? Not San Francisco, I hope.

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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 01:56:01 PM »
san francisco ,chinatown to be exact. they were a elderly couple also. how they got caught I don`t recall though.


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Re: question about scammers
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 02:11:28 PM »
Here in Miami we once had a couple of fortunetellers that advertised in the Clarin, a throwaway ad newspaper of around 40 pages.

One called himself "El Aguila Vidente". (The Eagle-eyed Seer), the other called himself "El Indio Amazonico" (The Amazon Indian)

I think that the Eagle was from Venezuela and the Indian was Colombian. Both gave $10 introductory readings. After several years, they both rented the same office. A year later, the Aguila took off with all the Indio's savings, according to the newspaper, over $200K, and split town. El Indio reported this to the police, and of course it became a major story, because apparently the Indio, who claimed to see the future, had been unable to see that El Aguila was about to embezzle all his money, which was had been hidden in a box.

The Aguila was never arrested, extradited or even found. I notice that El Indio is back in El Clarin, still claiming to be able to predict the future.

El Indio Amazonico, who once drove a taxi in Bogota, has moved to California:

http://indioamazonico.com/web/

He has a really cool look. How could he NOT be a seer with that feather through is nose?
« Last Edit: June 07, 2012, 02:27:36 PM by Xavier_Onassis »
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