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sirs

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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2013, 02:29:57 PM »
Minus of course a stupid leftwinger's inability to explain how the graphic is stupid.  You trying to refute Hitler's quote?
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2013, 03:18:17 PM »
It is stupid because although Hitler clearly wanted to prevent an uprising of the Communists in Germany at the time, it is ridiculous to assume that everyone who wants to take your  assault weapons has the same motives.

You can argue that Coca Cola is refreshing, but you cannot assume that Coca Cola is the ONLY thing that is refreshing. Cold water is usually rather a lot more refreshing. I can drink cokes and sodas until I slosh and still feel thirsty.

The logic for posting the stupid graphic is lame and flawed. That is what makes it stupid.

Japan and Australia ban guns, and are not dictatorships. They have far fewer shootings than we do.

Hitler had some pretty good ideas: the Autobahns, the Volkswagen, continuing with Bismarck's Old Age assistance plan.

The whole idea of posting a picture of Hitler is what is called Guilt by Association. It is a type of logical fallacy.

Not everything Hitler did was a bad idea. Not every motivation Hitler had was shared by others who took the same action.

It seems that Eisenhower shared the motivation Hitler had with regard to the Autobahns: Of course, the original idea of a 4 lane limited access highway was the PA Turnpike. But both Hitler and Ike saw the value of fast roads as being essential for moving military hardware. The Interstate Highway System was built for the purpose of national defense, that is what the enabling legislation said. Does that mean the Ike was just another Hitler?

In summary, the use of this graphic is lame and stupid and only appeals to those who are also both lame and stupid.




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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2013, 04:02:50 PM »
It is stupid because although Hitler clearly wanted to prevent an uprising of the Communists in Germany at the time, it is ridiculous to assume that everyone who wants to take your  assault weapons has the same motives.

A) Assault weapons are already largely banned, without a special ATF license.

B) There in lies the crux......motives.  When the motives of the left is to empower Government to its end all be all manor of control and glory, that is easier accomplished if you can disarm the populace.  Stupid 2nd amendment and Bill of Rights keeps getting in the way, but it sure doesn't stop stupid leftists from introducing ignorant legislation, in hopes of getting emotional appeal, trying to claim "its for the children", and "if it prevents just 1 death...yada, blah", to make end arounds the Constitution

So no, it's not stupid at all when it squarely hit the nail on the head, as it relates to the motives behind the actions
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2013, 09:50:44 PM »
The motive of depriving people of huge ammo clips is to prevent mass shootings/ No one is going to bring down any government with hand weapons. To think so is gullible and stupid.
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2013, 10:53:48 PM »
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2013, 11:21:25 PM »
Stupid rightwing graphics convince no one of anything except the stupidity of the right winger who posted them

It is generic and unimaginative to merely state stupidity at an opposing viewpoint.
Can the pro-gun position be refuted with facts or logical arguments?

I do not think so, but I would like to see it tried.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/03/dianne-feinstein-ted-cruz-assault-weapons-ban

Dianne Feinstien wants her opinion respected , but she was pushing a gun ban that was found unenforceable , ineffective and irritating for the decade that it was tried.

It strikes me that the gun controll people like the idea so much that they feel it unnecessary and even insulting to be asked to make a logical case for it.

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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2013, 11:31:26 PM »
It is stupid because although Hitler clearly wanted to prevent an uprising of the Communists in Germany at the time, it is ridiculous to assume that everyone who wants to take your  assault weapons has the same motives.....


Whoops, sorry,.. I should have read further , this is a real effort to make a sensable point. Bravo.

Australia and Austria had fewer shootings per capata than we before they had any gun bans , their bans didn't change that situation in any meaningfull way. Norway had pretty stringent controlls at the time that the worst ever mass shooting by a single individual was committed there. Gun bans are not at all for the purpose of preventing mass shooting, perhaps one might imagine that they are but they do not have that effect in reality.

Hitler and Mao and other despots get quoted in gun rights debates because for most tyrants the disarming of the people they wish to repress is a necessacery step, having a well armed populace is a limiter on the ambitions of a strongman leader. This is well observed in history and is alarming to observe in the present.

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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2013, 03:00:36 PM »
The motive of depriving people of huge ammo clips is to prevent mass shootings/ No one is going to bring down any government with hand weapons. To think so is gullible and stupid.

Another example of the self fulfilling prophecy.....we continue to ban more and more weapons, so that its not possible to defend ourselves against some oppressive Government, so we just should keep allowing more and more to be banned, and screw the Constitution, because we're already out-gunned.  No, the motive is deprving ANYONE of "huge ammo clips", that COULD serve to better defend one's self.  Especially when you consider the gun of choice for murderers is NOT an AR-15 or any other pseudo-assault rifle, but merely a semiautomatic handgun
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2013, 10:09:19 PM »
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2013, 10:18:45 PM »
I need a picture of a Sig.  That's a Glock.  Nothing wrong with a Glock, merely I'd prefer to be more truthful, in my warning    8)
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2013, 01:22:25 PM »
If you has a modicum of talent, you could easily devise a poster with your favorite sidearm, so all evildoers could see what they would be shot with by the brave sirs, assuming that he is waiting with a loaded weapon. You might even take a picture of you shooting bravely at a prep.

All it would take is a modicum of imagination.
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2013, 01:54:58 PM »
LOL....Xo and his fantasies about gun owners.  They're always entertaining      ;D
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #72 on: March 29, 2013, 11:38:50 AM »
Imagining that you had any talent for anything was stretching it, I will admit.
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« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2013, 12:08:20 PM »
Occasionally boring, but yep, always entertaining
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2013, 06:19:06 PM »

This establishment prosicutes tresspassers who survive the experience.