Belief Is the Least Part of Faith

[Xavier_Onassis]

This has zilch to do with abortion.

A woman has a right to decide whether to have a child or not.

Just as the "God" character had the right to decide whether he wanted to create a "Job" or not.

A woman does not have the power to decide whether any given sex act will make her pregnant. God has omnipotent powers, or at least that is what is alleged.

[Plane]

"If God built Plane nd the Plane family (including the cat) he has the right to unbuild them in any order he pleases, as a matter of fact he has a right to include planned obsolesence in their design such that they all die , every one of them."

I wouldn't know where to start when deconstructing this. It would take a thesis.

BSB

I believe you could make a very good thesis .

But in simple terms , does a creator have the right to build and unbuild his creations?

This is in no way moot to us, not only are we created , we are also creators , and in the future we may live to see we could learn to create sentience.

What is our obligation to a sentience we might create?

[Xavier_Onassis]

What is our obligation to a sentience we might create?

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It is whatever we want it to be. Each of us decides.

There are many incidents of writers and artists who destroyed novels, paintings and sculptures they did not want to be seen by the public.

But keep in mind this: we make no claims that we are moral authorities, or perfect and deserving of being worshiped. Four of the Ten Commandments are about this.

Again, I do not recognize the Bible as being the word of God, I do not believe that there ever was a Job, an Adam, an Eve or a Noah. These are contrived tales. Perhaps they are effective parables, but taking them seriously as divine examples is not something I am willing to do.

Job, God and Satan, are like Hamlet, MacBeth and Ned Flanders.

[Plane]

If we grow the ability to create sentience , we will not need to be moral ?

If we create an intelligence are we obliged to teach it to be moral?

[BSB]

Morality is a tool. When properly used, and combined with other tools, an intent is fashioned which ultimately gives way to wisdom.

BSB

[Plane]

Ok

So you have just realised that your new AI is capable of forming a real mind.


Do you want it to be wise?

[BSB]

"Do you want it to be wise?"

How much does that cost?


BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have no AI, nor would I wish to create any that would do anything other than what I would want done, and to obey me to do it.

[Plane]

I have no AI, nor would I wish to create any that would do anything other than what I would want done, and to obey me to do it.

So any AI you might be involved in would have predestination and little freedom of choice?

[Plane]

"Do you want it to be wise?"

How much does that cost?


BSB

It is a software problem at this point, so it will cost whatever a large team of programmers costs to hire.

Having agents of morality running about , that understand it poorly may cost the society they swim in quite a lot if they make poor choices.

To the AI itself it could cost everything .

[Xavier_Onassis]

So any AI you might be involved in would have predestination and little freedom of choice?

I have no plans to have anything at all to do with AI. If I did, I would not want to create any creature that did anything other than what I wanted it to do. I see robots as tools, not children.

[Plane]

So any AI you might be involved in would have predestination and little freedom of choice?

I have no plans to have anything at all to do with AI. If I did, I would not want to create any creature that did anything other than what I wanted it to do. I see robots as tools, not children.

I don't think it beyond imagination that the creators of an expert program AI might want it to speak Spanish well.

Would you decline to be a part of the team that programms Frankenstiens monster?

[Xavier_Onassis]

No.

Robots are tools and should be tools.

[Plane]

No.

Robots are tools and should be tools.

Gods attitude twards Job is better than yours twards our future children.


They are coming, and our attitude twards them needs to be developed.

[Xavier_Onassis]

God has no attitude towards Job. These are imaginary characters.

I do not consider robots to be "my children". I will never own any sort of thinking robot.

I am pretty sure I would not torture any robot I did have as "God" did "Job".

I did not play cruel tricks on any of my cats: I could have crippled them or starved them, but I didn't.