Left & Right for Dummies

[sirs]

It can't be made much clearer than this......

[Xavier_Onassis]

Simplistic nonsense.
Big government is the only thing that can limit big business. Consumer capitalism is what is unsustainable, because it seeks to grow bigger and bigger.
Recently, the Sawgrass Mills Mall required all stores to open at midnight on Thanksgiving Day and stay open constantly until the following Saturday at 10:00.  Employees that wanted time off for Thanksgiving were told they had no choice.

There is no great societal need for people to shop on Thanksgiving Day. The only thing that could force Sawgrass Mills Mall to return to a more civilized schedule was government, and government did not even try. Employees are told that they have to park a half mile away from the Mall and wait for a bus. If the bus delivers them late to the store, they catch Hell. If it is raining, they get wet.

Customers are often forced to sign something that assigns all complaints to arbitration, and the arbitration firms are controlled by the businesses. The citizen loses his right to sue the company for defective products, false promises and unfulfilled services.

Government has to be big and powerful enough to force businesses to treat their customers and employees in a decent manner.

You can vote for any one of the candidates running, and not a one of them will get you a smaller government. You will only get to choose to be served by a government you can vote out of office or a corporation that you cannot control in any way. FPL will not allow me to patch into the grid with my solar panels.

[sirs]

It's "simplistic", only in the sense its SUPPOSED TO BE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, hence thetitle of the thread

But I thank you for helping to reinforce the point Prager was making....to the left, Government must be the end all to all power.  Nothing can be greater than Government power.  Notice how in the left's vision, nothing can limit big Government.  It's free to expand beyond its breaking point.  Businesses can't tax you.  Business can't jail you.  Businesses can try to mandate behavior, but people are free to take their buisness elsewhere, at that point.  Can't do that with Government

And the worst part is, that the bigger Government gets, the more corrupt it becomes, and there's NOTHING to stem that.  You talk about how big Government must become, all the while ignoring the corruption and increasing lack of transparency it creates.  But you don't care, so long its a (D) that's heading the corruption.  But you'll have a seizure as soon as an (R) takes over

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is not true. The Swedish government, the Norwegian government and the Dutch government are all far less corrupt that any government that this country has ever had. Especially the most corrupt government this country has ever had, the Reagan Administration. Hundreds were convicted. Republicans are corrupt. Get rid of their sorry asses and watch the rest like hawks and we can improve this country greatly.

Corporate corruption is the worst of all, and only a powerful government can abolish it.

[sirs]

This is not true. The Swedish government, the Norwegian government and the Dutch government are all far less corrupt that any government that this country has ever had.

Current population of Norway - 5,000,000
Current population of Sweden - 9,500,000
Current population of the Netherlands - 17,000,000
Total of those 3 examples 31,000,000

Current population of the United States alone 320,000,000+

Those other countries, are a mere fraction the size and population of the United States.  .... as in BIG Government...as in we are massively bigger than those 3 combined.  As a result, there is FAR more corruption going on with this Government

And the bigger we get, the worse it gets

Corporate corruption is the worst of all, and only a powerful government can abolish it.

Not even close.  Corporations can't break into anyone's house or confiscate your wealth.  Corporations can't mandate behavior.  Corporations can't take away someone's freedom.  Only Government can do that, as that is a FAR GREATER conundrum than some business that the left thinks is being too greedy with its profits. 

Government Corruption is worst of all, since there's nothing powerful enough to stop that avalanche, once it gets going, outside of who still is supporting our Bill of Rights

[Plane]

This is not true. The Swedish government, the Norwegian government and the Dutch government are all far less corrupt that any government that this country has ever had. Especially the most corrupt government this country has ever had, the Reagan Administration. Hundreds were convicted. Republicans are corrupt. Get rid of their sorry asses and watch the rest like hawks and we can improve this country greatly.

Corporate corruption is the worst of all, and only a powerful government can abolish it.

If hundreds are convicted isn't that fighting corruption?

I would think that right now there is more being gotten away with.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Oh yeah, because over 200 appointees to the Reagan administration were charged with corruption, that proves just how clean and decent it was.
Get Fucking serious.

[sirs]

This is not true. The Swedish government, the Norwegian government and the Dutch government are all far less corrupt that any government that this country has ever had. Especially the most corrupt government this country has ever had, the Reagan Administration. Hundreds were convicted. Republicans are corrupt. Get rid of their sorry asses and watch the rest like hawks and we can improve this country greatly.

Corporate corruption is the worst of all, and only a powerful government can abolish it.

If hundreds are convicted isn't that fighting corruption?

I would think that right now there is more being gotten away with.

BINGO.  Obama appoints who gets to run the Dept in charge of investigating.  Doesn't take rocket science to see the inherent umbrella of protection he affords himself and adminstration

[Plane]

Oh yeah, because over 200 appointees to the Reagan administration were charged with corruption, that proves just how clean and decent it was.
Get Fucking serious.

Yes.

Eric Holder would not indict even a guy that was standing at a polling place with a club.
He didn't indict anyone to clean up the "fast and furious" gun distribution mess.

Etc etc ad nausium

Practically no indictments does not mean no corruption, it can quite well mean that the corruption includes the prosecutor.

[sirs]

Oh yeah, because over 200 appointees to the Reagan administration were charged with corruption, that proves just how clean and decent it was.
Get Fucking serious.

Yes.

Eric Holder would not indict even a guy that was standing at a polling place with a club.
He didn't indict anyone to clean up the "fast and furious" gun distribution mess.

Etc etc ad nausium

Practically no indictments does not mean no corruption, it can quite well mean that the corruption includes the prosecutor.

Wow...BINGO!....Plane is just knocking them out of the park!       

[sirs]

Corporate corruption is the worst of all, and only a powerful government can abolish it.

Not even close.  Corporations can't break into anyone's house or confiscate your wealth.  Corporations can't mandate behavior.  Corporations can't take away someone's freedom.  Only Government can do that, as that is a FAR GREATER conundrum than some business that the left thinks is being too greedy with its profits. 

Government Corruption is worst of all, since there's nothing powerful enough to stop that avalanche, once it gets going, outside of who still is supporting our Bill of Rights

Nor am I alone in that notion, thankfully: