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For all you chess players out there
« on: February 22, 2007, 11:36:42 AM »
 
 
 
   

 
   
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I tried to trim it down some.  Looks like the locals might be solving their own problems their own way and working out solutions beneficial to the region that don't leave the U.S. in control of anything that doesn't belong to them.  Of course, the movement is just in its infancy, but the article points out some interesting initiatives.  The U.S. feeds on local conflicts like a hungry vulture, but if there are no conflicts, the vulture has to fly away to find other prey.



February 22, 2007
Is Washington Being Sidelined on the Middle East?
 
by Leon Hadar
[The Bush admnistration isn't doing a hell of a lot now to broker a deal between Israel and the Palestinians.]

But recently the U.S. president seems to be unable or unwilling to play the role assigned to him in that old Mideast script. Take the recent diplomatic coup achieved by Saudi Arabia when it succeeded in brokering a deal between the two leading Palestinian factions, allowing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah Party to join a government headed by the radical group Hamas.

The accord not only brings an end to the bloody fighting between Fatah and Hamas, but also creates conditions – like setting the stage for overcoming Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel – that are more conducive for restarting negotiations between Palestinian and Israeli officials. Now, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert could hold direct talks with President Abbas as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian Authority.

But while America's Arab allies, members of the European Union (EU), and Russia have welcomed the Saudi-brokered deal, Bush administration officials have expressed wariness and have given it the diplomatic cold shoulder. In fact, the lack of diplomatic progress during Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's trip to the Middle East was a direct result of Washington's refusal to back negotiations between Israel and a Palestinian government that includes Hamas.

An even more dramatic sign that Washington is refusing to play its old role has been the diplomatic pressure it has been exerting on the Israeli government to refrain from opening a diplomatic dialogue with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Damascus.

Indeed, according to reports in the Israeli press, Assad has sent the Israelis diplomatic messages expressing interest in negotiating a peace accord that would include recognition of and diplomatic ties with Israel in exchange for the return of the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The proposal has been taken seriously in Israel and has been debated by members of the Israeli political elite and public. But the Bush administration has argued that Israeli negotiations with Syria would reward a regime accused of cooperating with Iran to challenge U.S. interests in the Middle East. There is little doubt that the hostile U.S. response tipped the balance in Jerusalem in favor of those who oppose talks with Syria.

The current role that Washington seems to have taken on vis-à-vis the Arab-Israeli peace process, including its skeptical reactions to Saudi mediation in Palestine and to the Syrian proposal, suggests that the old script has ceased to reflect current foreign policy realism and has acquired an air of surrealism.

In a way, the change demonstrates an erosion of U.S. influence in the Middle East, which is a direct result of the implementation of the neoconservative agenda that has led to the disastrous political and military situation in Iraq. These policies have produced a series of developments that counter the neocon goal of attaining hegemony in the region, including the emergence of Iran as a regional power, the growing tensions between Sunnis and Shi'ites, the failure of Israel to dislodge Hezbollah from southern Lebanon, the electoral victory of Hamas, and Turkey's increasing impatience with U.S. policy.

It's not surprising that changes in the alignment of forces in the Middle East make it more difficult for the United States to use its military and diplomatic power to affect policy outcomes in the region. After all, the status and success of the United States as the indispensable mediator between Israelis and Arabs was tied directly to its ability and willingness to pursue that costly task during the competition with the Soviet Union (the 1979 Egyptian-Israeli peace accord) and after the first Gulf War (the 1991 Madrid Peace Conference, which aimed to jump start peace negotiations between Israel and its neighbors).

There is a direct correlation between the rising U.S. push for hegemony in the Middle East and mounting anti-American sentiments there – a situation that emphasizes U.S. ties with Israel. Yet these ties make it less likely that Washington would be willing to challenge Jerusalem's policies, further eroding the U.S. position as an "honest broker" in the eyes of many Arabs.

Now that the cost of the U.S. drive for power in the region is producing countervailing pressures at home and abroad, U.S. capacity and determination to advance the Arab-Israeli peace process has been weakened and has created a diplomatic vacuum in the Middle East that is gradually being filled by regional – and outside – players. The diplomatic role that Saudi Arabia has played in mediating the intra-Palestinian conflict parallels its discussions with Iran to stabilize Lebanon, its move to co-opt Syria into the Arab-Sunni camp, and its support for the Arab-Sunnis in Iraq.

Similarly, U.S. failures in Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine have created disincentives for Washington to engage Iran and Syria, a step that it fears could be perceived as a sign of weakness. But both Syria and Israel share common interests in ending their military conflict that do not necessarily correspond to those of Washington. In fact, a deal between Damascus and Jerusalem could threaten the U.S. position by sidelining it to the diplomatic margins. That could also happen if Saudi Arabia increases its diplomatic role in the Middle East and moves in the direction of engaging Iran instead of confronting it.

From that perspective, when U.S. officials and pundits warn of the "chaos" that would follow a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, they are actually expressing their anxiety over their real nightmare scenario – a Middle East in which the United States is marginalized to a position of little power, with the other players in the region making deals with each other with little consideration of U.S. concerns. In other words, the formation of a regional security structure in the Persian Gulf that involves Saudi Arabia and Iran but not Washington, an organization that could facilitate cooperation between Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria to stabilize Iraq, and foster moves toward a peace agreement between Israel and Syria.

Preventing such a scenario is probably the driving force behind the idea of attacking Iran's nuclear and military sites to help reassert the U.S. position in the Persian Gulf and other parts of the Middle East. President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their neoconservative advisers are hoping that such a strike would weaken Iran's power and lessen the "threat" that a deal between the Saudis and Tehran could pose to U.S. hegemony. Similarly, the continuing conflict between Israel and Syria helps sustain the position of Washington as a powerful outsider whose services are required by the local players. It's the classic role of an imperial power pursuing a "divide and conquer" strategy.

At the end of the day, the only peace that the Bush administration wants to spread in the Middle East is one that preserves the U.S. dominant position, a Pax Americana. But whether Washington can continue to secure that role remains the central geopolitical question of the moment.

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Re: For all you chess players out there
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2007, 01:22:58 PM »
Hahahahahahaha


Like we like dumping lots of money onto the Palestinians , Egyptians and Israeli's probems.

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 02:16:18 PM »
<<Like we like dumping lots of money onto the Palestinians , Egyptians and Israeli's probems.>>

No, I'd say you like dumping lots of money onto the Iranian and Iraqis problems, where you think you can see a tangible return on your investment.  Problems those folks didn't know they had till you showed up and they had a problem.

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Re: For all you chess players out there
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 02:47:48 PM »
<<Like we like dumping lots of money onto the Palestinians , Egyptians and Israeli's probems.>>

No, I'd say you like dumping lots of money onto the Iranian and Iraqis problems, where you think you can see a tangible return on your investment.  Problems those folks didn't know they had till you showed up and they had a problem.


Could you show me that?

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2007, 03:30:06 PM »
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Like we like dumping lots of money onto the Palestinians , Egyptians and Israeli's probems.

We must, Egypt and Israel have been our two largest recipients of foreign aid for many years.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2007, 03:54:23 PM »
I think it's time to cut through the bullshit and the word games here.  The U.S. spends money on foreign aid where it thinks its interests are at stake.  Or, thanks to AIPAC bribery, where its legislators think Israel's interests are at stake.  THAT'S the explanation for the billions spent on Egypt and Israel.  Support of an oppressive, land-grabbing regime bought and paid for by AIPAC and bribery of a powerful neighbour to back off and let the Israelis get away with their shit.  If the U.S. wanted to relieve human suffering, it could spend all that money in Africa

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2007, 05:39:25 PM »
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THAT'S the explanation for the billions spent on Egypt and Israel. 

Wasn't that the deal struck by Jimmy and the boys at camp david?

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 05:47:34 PM »
If the U.S. wanted to relieve human suffering, it could spend all that money in Africa

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They could end malaria in Subsaharan Africa and tuberculosis in Bolivia and Peru with a fraction of what AIPAC extorts from the US government.

When Congress won't give Israel money outright, they give them loans, which are then forgiven when Congress is in a more charitable mood (or has more suckers).

But what are 10,000 dying Andean Indians or dying African children compared to the subsidy of a mortgage of some housewife from Queens and her hubby who decide to resettle in the West Bank?
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2007, 07:35:55 PM »
<<Wasn't that the deal struck by Jimmy and the boys at camp david?>>

Are you suggesting that AIPAC bribes only Republicans?

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2007, 08:46:22 PM »
Are you suggesting that AIPAC bribes only Republicans?

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AIPAC influences both Democrats and Republicans alike. Like illegal immigration, there is so much money and influence on both sides of the political spectrum in favor of Israel getting away with pretty much everything, that the US government is unlikely to ever arrive at any sort of equitable resolution to this issue.

Israel uses more guilt and intimidation than bribes, I would say.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2007, 10:49:25 PM »
So should all PACS be outlawed or just Jewish/Israeli ones?

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2007, 11:27:24 PM »
So should all PACS be outlawed or just Jewish/Israeli ones?

I am for outlawing all of the damned things. They cause far more problems than benefits.

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2007, 11:56:43 PM »
If the U.S. wanted to relieve human suffering, it could spend all that money in Africa

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They could end malaria in Subsaharan Africa and tuberculosis in Bolivia and Peru with a fraction of what AIPAC extorts from the US government.

When Congress won't give Israel money outright, they give them loans, which are then forgiven when Congress is in a more charitable mood (or has more suckers).

But what are 10,000 dying Andean Indians or dying African children compared to the subsidy of a mortgage of some housewife from Queens and her hubby who decide to resettle in the West Bank?


I just so happens that the Present President is sending more money to Africa than ever before , the biggest increase has been in the HIV fight.

There is even a possibility that Egypt coould be moved to Africa in the near future.