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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: Gun violence in the US here are the facts.
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2016, 06:14:59 PM »
Bad guys rarely have guns in Japan. It is quite hard to get a gun in Hawaii without going through a security process.
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It seems that Australians have made it hard to get guns.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 06:25:15 PM »
Doesn't matter what Austrailia does......they don't have a 2nd Amendment
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Re: Gun violence in the US here are the facts.
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2016, 06:43:42 PM »
Wrong Diner



  A lot of venues do encourage off duty officers to carry firearms .

    One benefit is that these officers are seldom vulnerable to revenge attack.

      Another benefit is a small population of dependable , responsible and well trained persons having concealed firearms in almost every population of civilians.

      Too small a number tho...

       It would be better if there were more responsible people with concealed carry .

       Enough to complicate planning for attacks like Orlando or Mumbai.

     How many is that, 10% 25%?

      I really feel this a situation where the more the merrier.

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Re: Gun violence in the US here are the facts.
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2016, 07:09:03 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
I have removed the Knife and arson killings from this list.

The people who say that Port Arthur ended shooting in Australia are wrong.
There has been no massacre as large as Port Arthur since 1996 but there was no massacre that large for seventy years before either.

 

Port Arthur massacre 28 April 1996 Port Arthur, Tasmania 35 24 A spree shooting by Martin Bryant

Snowtown murders August 1992 – May 1999 Snowtown, South Australia 12
 
Monash University Shooting 21 October 2002 Melbourne, Victoria 2  A shooting spree by Huan Yun Xiang,

2011 Hectorville siege 29 April 2011 Hectorville, South Australia    3
 
Hunt family murders 9 September 2014 Lockhart, New South Wales 5 0 Murder-suicide shooting spree

Logan shooting 22 October 2014 Logan, Victoria 3

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Re: Gun violence in the US here are the facts.
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2016, 08:20:55 PM »
We certainly beat them in mass shootings by a very large margin.
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Re: Gun violence in the US here are the facts.
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2016, 08:32:33 PM »
And for every life lost in a shooting, mass or otherwise, a minimum of 10 lives are saved....at least in this country
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Re: Gun violence in the US here are the facts.
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2016, 07:35:12 AM »
SIRS....since this thread is titled "the facts"....here are some FACTS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2016, 05:02:58 AM »
We certainly beat them in mass shootings by a very large margin.

Is it exactly the margin by which we are larger?

If so the "improvement " over us means nothing.

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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2016, 09:11:08 PM »
Since Australia restricted guns, murders deceased by 72%
In the US in the same period, they decreased by 50%
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2016, 10:19:22 PM »
And...........?  Still doesn't refute the fact more lives are saved than taken by gun violence
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2016, 03:12:34 AM »
can`t speak for austrailia but japan is another issue the need for a gun is alot less in japan . but crime is almost part of the culture over there but not as americans think. the gangs there understand how not to abuse the people to the point they cannot support themselves . so things are alot subtle in the illegal world over there. the violence are more control so it`ll cause very little public response. most gangs tend to be community protectors till in-fighting made them collapse.

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Re: Gun violence in the US here are the facts.
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2016, 11:20:38 PM »
Yea, I did...prove it.  It's called math

FBI generates homicides by gun, at around 9k to 11k (that includes all forms of firearms, including rifles.)  So, will go with 10k, as in roughly 10,000 homicides a year, because of a gun

now

The studies regarding the use of a firearm in defending onself use equations generated from questionaires sent to those who have reported the use of a firearm in defending themselves from imminent danger/death

The rosiest #'s that researchers reference in the amount of lives saved by the use of a firearm was over 2 million annually (Kleck study).  That's 200 lives saved by a gun to just one taken

Now, the left came out of the wordwork, claiming those numbers couldn't be accurate, so a gun control reseracher by the name of David Hemmingway proclaimed that the Kleck study had too many "false positives".  So, the left produced their own study, advocated by Hemmingway, referred to as the National Crime Victimization Survey, that knocked that # down to about 100,000.  That's a ratio of 10:1

Other social Scientists have concluded a more accurate figure of between 250k - 370k of lives saved by the use or even brandishing of a gun.  So, we'll pick a middle number...300,000.  That makes the ratio of lives saved by the use of a gun to those taken by the use of a gun to 30:1

So, in other words, using the left's most one sided research, the lives saved in this country, to those taken in a homicide is ....... drum roll.......10 to 1

Not to mention, hardly anything I simply pulled out of thin ear.  Sorry to burst that bubble, but facts, just aren't your best friend, whenver this topic comes up

Perfect example of lives saved with a gun
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