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Judicial system is nuts
« on: June 09, 2007, 06:45:42 PM »
 Bob Herbert:

    Two months ago I wrote about a 6-year-old girl in Florida who was handcuffed by the police and taken off to the county jail after she threw a tantrum in her kindergarten class.

    Police in Brooklyn recently arrested more than 30 young people, ages 13 to 22, as they walked toward a subway station, on their way to a wake for a teenage friend who had been murdered. No evidence has been presented that the grieving young people had misbehaved. No drugs or weapons were found. But they were accused by the police of gathering unlawfully and of disorderly conduct.

    In March, police in Baltimore handcuffed a 7-year-old boy and took him into custody for riding a dirt bike on the sidewalk. The boy tearfully told The Baltimore Examiner, “They scared me.” Mayor Sheila Dixon later apologized for the arrest.

    Children, including some who are emotionally disturbed, are often arrested for acting out. Some are arrested for carrying sharp instruments that they had planned to use in art classes, and for mouthing off.

    This is a problem that has gotten out of control. Behavior that was once considered a normal part of growing up is now resulting in arrest and incarceration. ...

    The Racial Justice Program at the American Civil Liberties Union has been studying this issue. “What we see routinely,” said Dennis Parker, the program’s director, “is that behavior that in my time would have resulted in a trip to the principal’s office is now resulting in a trip to the police station.”

    He added that the evidence seems to show that white kids are significantly less likely to be arrested for minor infractions than black or Latino kids. The 6-year-old arrested in Florida was black. The 7-year-old arrested in Baltimore was black.

    Shaquanda Cotton was black. She was the 14-year-old high school freshman in Paris, Tex., who was arrested for shoving a hall monitor. She was convicted in March 2006 of “assault on a public servant” and sentenced to a prison term of — hold your breath — up to seven years!

    Shaquanda’s outraged family noted that the judge who sentenced her had, just three months earlier, sentenced a 14-year-old white girl who was convicted of arson for burning down her family’s home. The white girl was given probation.

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Re: Judicial system is nuts
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2007, 06:57:53 PM »
Here's a tip. Don't do stuff that will get you arrested. Then it won't matter if you are black or white.

Because it isn't ok to shove a hall monitor if you are black or burn down your families house if you are white.


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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2007, 08:33:16 PM »
Yeah, boy, I guess Scooter's really glad he's not a 14 year old black girl who shoved a hall monitor. He'd be looking at some real jail time.....Whew.   
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2007, 08:46:02 PM »
Wasn't Scooter sentenced to 30 months? And did he lay hands on anyone  in the commission of his crime?

I guess shoving school system staff is OK if you are a black 14 year old female, right? I mean they are 14 and they are black, certainly they can't have a concept of right and wrong and are therefore not subject to laws meant to protect.

Don't understand why they even have a law against it.



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Re: Judicial system is nuts
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2007, 09:30:20 PM »

Here's a tip. Don't do stuff that will get you arrested.


That is becoming increasingly difficult to do. Come on, sentenced to jail shoving a hall monitor? That's insane.
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Re: Judicial system is nuts
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2007, 10:01:41 PM »
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Come on, sentenced to jail shoving a hall monitor? That's insane.

Why?

And how do we know the sentence didn't match the behavior of the female, 14 year old , black person. Had she had anger issues before? We don't know that.

What we do know is the author wants us to believe race was a contributing factor to the sentence.


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Re: Judicial system is nuts
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2007, 10:21:10 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2007, 07:04:18 PM »
Hmm....reading the background on this story was very enlightening.  I wonder why Bob Herbert didn't include any mention of Shaquanda’s  previous disciplinary issues or how her mother excused her behavior and accused the school officials of being racist - and called a black teacher "an Uncle Tom" for telling her that her daughter threatened to burn the school down.

I feel sorry for the girl.  I would equate her mother's influence and actions as a form of brainwashing; she has raised her daughter to believe that she is a victim, and is using her to make some sort of socio-political statement.  Hopefully, Shaquanda will learn to think for herself some day.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2007, 07:07:00 PM »
Yeah, boy, I guess Scooter's really glad he's not a 14 year old black girl who shoved a hall monitor. He'd be looking at some real jail time.....Whew.   


He is an older man being locked up for haveing a poor memory  , it is an old saying tht sometimes the law is an ass.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2007, 07:14:01 PM »
Gee, though rife with pitfalls, the jury system is the best method of determining criminal guilt yet devised by Western Civilization. And giving this jury the benefit of the doubt, as most juryies deserve, it dutifully found that Libby, indeed, did not forget or fall subject to hazy memory, but, egad, lied his little ass off.

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2007, 07:22:16 PM »
Gee, though rife with pitfalls, the jury system is the best method of determining criminal guilt yet devised by Western Civilization. And giving this jury the benefit of the doubt, as most juryies deserve, it dutifully found that Libby, indeed, did not forget or fall subject to hazy memory, but, egad, lied his little ass off.


This seems contrary to the facts. Jurys sometimes loose track of things like facts.

The post trial statements of the jurrors seem to demonstrate a pre-judement on their part .

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2007, 10:06:21 PM »
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Re: Judicial system is nuts
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2007, 10:19:26 PM »
Tom McGuire is better:

Plame Mythbusters
Carol D. Leonnig of the WaPo takes it upon herself to debunk five "myths" about the Scooter Libby case.  I will say she scores four out of five; however, I also see that her fifth point has caused a bit of confusion, since Big Tent Dem at TalkLeft is claiming that she supports the left, not the right.  I disagree and consider her to be on my side on that one, but we will come to that in a bit.

Her first point is this:

1. Valerie Plame wasn't a covert operative.

Wrong. She was.

...But a CIA "unclassified summary" of Plame's career, released in court filings before Libby's June 5 sentencing, puts this one to rest: The CIA considered her covert at the time her identity was leaked to the media. The CIA report said that Plame had worked overseas in the previous five years and that the agency had been taking "affirmative measures" to conceal her CIA employment. That echoes the language used in the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which makes it a crime to reveal the identities of covert CIA officers.

...The CIA isn't famous for its clarity, but it's being pretty blunt on this issue: Langley says she was covert. Which other spook bureaucracy do you need to ask?

Here we go again.  A subsequent defense response clarified the Fitzgerald release (my emphasis):

The summary described above was provided to the defense along with a companion summary that defined a “covert” CIA employee as a “CIA employee whose employment is not publicly acknowledged by the CIA or the employee.”4 It is important to bear in mind that the IIPA defines “covert agent” differently.

Or of asking the CIA is the preferred path, let's reprise happened when Congressman Peter Hoekstra of the House Intel Committee did just that:

On March 21, Hoekstra [Ranking Republican on the House Intel Committee] again requested the CIA to define Mrs. Wilson's status. A written reply April 5 from Christopher J. Walker, the CIA's director of congressional affairs, said only that "it is taking longer than expected" to reply because of "the considerable legal complexity required for this tasking."

Look, the CIA prepared a memo to prop up Fitzgerald's case and their own criminal referral, but they have not opined on Ms. Plame's status under the IIPA.  I made the same point about the Waxman hearing.

But if Ms. Leonnig would like a trial to pursue, my pension idea could benefit from a bit of WaPo-powered reporting.  Per the Times and the Congressional Record we know that the CIA tracked Ms. Plame's service abroad for purposes of calculating her pension.  So what is the most recent date for which she received credit for service abroad?  Seems like an easy question, although for some reason Fitzgerald chose not to present the answer.

As to Myth Five, Ms. Leonnig wrote this:

5. The White House would fire any administration official who leaked classified information about Plame.

In each of the first four cases Ms. Leonnig presents statement she believes to be false, i.e., a "myth", and then presents her version of reality.  Here is her follow-up to Myth 5:

When the investigation began, the president said he hated leaks and would hold leakers of classified information accountable. But he has not sacked anyone over the case.

Libby resigned the day he was indicted in October 2005. Two other officials who gave reporters information about Plame, former deputy secretary of state Richard L. Armitage and former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, left government before Fitzgerald's inquiry concluded. And Rove, who first told Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper about Plame's CIA identity, remains in the White House.

Big Tent's interpretation:

And Leonnig reminds us that the Bush Administration lied when it said it would fire anyone who leaked classified information...

Interesting - I would have interpreted this as Ms. Leonnig agreeing that Bush never actually said he would fire anyone, as I argued in "Don't Play 'Gotcha' With The President".


http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2007/06/plame_mythbuste.html