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Criminal Behavior
« on: October 10, 2007, 01:15:09 PM »
Criminal Behavior
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjRmNDNhZjYzYjRkYTg0NmI2NWU5ZTc0MjUxNTBlMmM=
By The Editors

There are two kinds of crooks. The first cuts a deal. He tells the government what he knows and forever after is ostracized and hunted by his old partners in crime. The second is ?stand-up.? He keeps his mouth shut. After serving his time, he is welcomed back into the fold. He might even get a ?bump up? in rank from his grateful bosses.

No, we?re not talking about The Sopranos. What we have in mind is a new episode of a tawdry soap opera that began in the 1990s. Welcome to the case of disgraced former national security adviser Sandy Berger ? and what it portends about a potential President Hillary.

Now Berger is back in business at Camp Clinton, advising New York?s junior senator in her bid for the White House. This warrants a review of Berger?s recent history. After his stint as national security adviser, he became Bill Clinton?s liaison to the 9/11 Commission as it investigated intelligence failures (many of which happened on Berger?s watch). Berger was accordingly given access to the national archives, both to prepare his own testimony and to get the former president ready for an interview with the commission.

Berger used his privileged access to steal top-secret national-defense documents. On at least two occasions he stuffed them into his clothing and briefcase, smuggling them out of the archives. He secreted some of these stolen papers under the wheel of a truck at a nearby construction site so that he could return for them later. Other documents he intentionally destroyed. These actions were serious felonies.

Berger?s behavior was so strange that the government noticed and investigated. Berger then lied to the authorities, denying what he had done and absurdly claiming he had taken the documents in an honest mistake. Only later did he fess up to his theft.

Because the archives lacked filing controls, it is impossible to know exactly how much Berger stole. Yet ? as our Byron York has reported ? among the highly classified haul were various drafts of an ?after-action report? prepared by top Clinton counterterrorism officials after the Customs Service, in a stroke of luck, foiled the millennium plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport. That report has been widely described as a scathing internal assessment of the Clinton administration?s performance and state of preparedness for domestic terrorist attack. It was highly relevant to the 9/11 Commission?s investigation, as was the manner in which it was finalized and the question whether the Clinton administration acted on its recommendations.

Yet the commission was not told about Berger?s unlawful actions. He was not questioned about them, and the public has never been permitted to see copies of what he took (such copies are said to exist). President Clinton and the Clinton Library are conveniently immune to Freedom of Information Act disclosure requests for 12 years. And the Bush Justice Department shamefully tucked this whole affair under the rug by permitting Berger to plead guilty to a misdemeanor, effectively shielding him from public disclosure of the evidence.

What kind of advice is Berger giving Mrs. Clinton, anyway? It can?t be legal advice: Berger forfeited his law license. It?s unlikely he?d be much help on Iran: The Clinton administration didn?t respond to the Khobar Towers bombing (in which19 U.S. Air Force personnel were killed) because Berger and others were convinced that then?Iranian president Mohammed Khatami was going to ?reform? the hard-line mullahs. Berger failed on al Qaeda, too: Clinton declined to respond to the terror network?s bombing of the U.S.S. Cole (17 U.S. Navy personnel killed) because, according to Clinton, Berger?s intelligence services couldn?t tell him who did it.

Sandy Berger was a failure as national-security adviser. Then he became a criminal. As Americans contemplate making Hillary their president, they would be wise to consider the company she keeps.
 

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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 08:10:07 PM »
Hilarious.  Although the Sept. 11 attacks happened eight months into Bush's administration, on his watch and nobody else's, the crypto-fascist criminals who benefited the most from the attacks have found someone to blame for them:  the CLINTON administration.  Now, if only the Iraq war could be pinned on them as well.

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2007, 08:46:21 PM »
Hilarious.  Although the Sept. 11 attacks happened eight months into Bush's administration, on his watch and nobody else's, the crypto-fascist criminals who benefited the most from the attacks have found someone to blame for them:  the CLINTON administration.  Now, if only the Iraq war could be pinned on them as well.

How long into the Bush administration was the Kobar towers bombing or the African Embassy bombing?

We have been at war longer than we werewilling to acknowledge it.

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2007, 09:01:53 PM »
<<How long into the Bush administration was the Kobar towers bombing or the African Embassy bombing?>>

So what's your point?  Clinton let them score a few fly swats and Bush led with his chin into a haymaker?

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2007, 09:42:43 PM »
<<How long into the Bush administration was the Kobar towers bombing or the African Embassy bombing?>>

So what's your point?  Clinton let them score a few fly swats and Bush led with his chin into a haymaker?


Define flyswats please.

Imagine that two Canadian embassays are bombed and fifty or so are dead , no big deal?

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2007, 09:44:19 PM »
Lanya, the posts attached to the link were the most interesting part.  Looks like the fascist conspiracy theorists are hard at it, along the lines of, Berger was hired by Clinton to destroy documentary proof that Clinton's fumbling caused 9-11 and now he's reaping his reward by emerging from some token wrist-slapping to take a major role in the next Clinton Presidency.  [But if that's the case, why wouldn't he stay entirely clear of the campaign, since it's his PAST services that he's being rewarded for, and he therefore has no need to perform new services?]

This part of the conspiracy theory I did not understand:  that Berger worked out a deal "while the Pope lay dying" and then signed on it after the Pope died.  Can anyone figure out what role the Pope had to play in this yarn?  I just don't get it.

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2007, 09:49:34 PM »
<<Define flyswats please.

<<Imagine that two Canadian embassays are bombed and fifty or so are dead , no big deal?>>

You just defined flyswats for me, plane.  In wars, nobody ever pitched a no-hitter.  Clinton allowed a few flyswats to land, Bush led with his chin into a haymaker.  The fifty or so dead compared to the three thousand or so dead is a ratio of one to sixty.  If you ever saw a hockey game with a score of sixty to one, would you call it a closely-fought game or a wholesale slaughter?  If one of your relatives died in a car crash in Georgia and sixty of your relatives died in a car crash in Florida, which state would you figure was the more successful in preventing highway accidents?

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2007, 09:55:49 PM »
<<Define flyswats please.

<<Imagine that two Canadian embassays are bombed and fifty or so are dead , no big deal?>>

You just defined flyswats for me, plane.  In wars, nobody ever pitched a no-hitter.  Clinton allowed a few flyswats to land, Bush led with his chin into a haymaker.  The fifty or so dead compared to the three thousand or so dead is a ratio of one to sixty.  If you ever saw a hockey game with a score of sixty to one, would you call it a closely-fought game or a wholesale slaughter?  If one of your relatives died in a car crash in Georgia and sixty of your relatives died in a car crash in Florida, which state would you figure was the more successful in preventing highway accidents?


So Clintons twelve failures count for nothing?
Cinton presided over a period of benign neglect while the known and proven threat of Al Qeda grew from nothing at all to an organisaion abe to hit important American tagets every month or two.

2001 was actually a banner year for airline safety ,with a fifteen year low in deaths on aircraft.  So your example works better in reverse .

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2007, 10:18:06 PM »
<<So Clintons twelve failures count for nothing?>>

You apply such a crazy kind of logic.  What matters is the bottom line, not how you got there.  Bottom line is not 12 to 1, it's SIXTY to one.  In favour of Clinton.  I suppose if Bush had a sales force of 100, 12 of whom made sales totalling $50 and Clinton had a sales force of 100, and only one of them made a sale, but it was for $3,000.00, YOU'D reward the team with the $50 sales and diss the team with the $3,000 sales because the $50 team had made more sales.  This is again yet another illustration of the right's inability to live in the real world.  NOBODY in real life would ever think like that unless they were certifiably insane.

<<Cinton presided over a period of benign neglect while the known and proven threat of Al Qeda grew from nothing at all to an organisaion abe to hit important American tagets every month or two.>>

There will always be threats to America and NONE of them are born full-grown.  Moreover, there is often nothing that can be done to prevent the emergence of people who hate your guts and want to kill you.  Your own actions are creating your enemies and as long as you, Clinton and/or Bush continue to fuck with the Third World, the Third World will continue to fuck with you.  If al Qaeda did grow as you claim, Clinton deserves full credit for limiting them to the flyswats we just discussed and Bush deserves full blame for the disaster that happened on HIS watch.  HIS watch, get it?  NOT Clinton's watch.

<<2001 was actually a banner year for airline safety ,with a fifteen year low in deaths on aircraft.  So your example works better in reverse>>

LOL.  That was SOME banner year.  Pray you don't get another "banner year" like that one.  Somehow your post reminds me of the old joke, "The operation was a success but the patient died."

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2007, 10:38:15 PM »
<<So Clintons twelve failures count for nothing?>>

You apply such a crazy kind of logic.  What matters is the bottom line, not how you got there.  Bottom line is not 12 to 1, it's SIXTY to one.  In favor of Clinton.  I suppose if Bush had a sales force of 100, 12 of whom made sales totalling $50 and Clinton had a sales force of 100, and only one of them made a sale, but it was for $3,000.00, YOU'D reward the team with the $50 sales and diss the team with the $3,000 sales because the $50 team had made more sales.  This is again yet another illustration of the right's inability to live in the real world.  NOBODY in real life would ever think like that unless they were certifiably insane.

<<Cinton presided over a period of benign neglect while the known and proven threat of Al Qeda grew from nothing at all to an organisaion abe to hit important American tagets every month or two.>>

There will always be threats to America and NONE of them are born full-grown.  Moreover, there is often nothing that can be done to prevent the emergence of people who hate your guts and want to kill you.  Your own actions are creating your enemies and as long as you, Clinton and/or Bush continue to fuck with the Third World, the Third World will continue to fuck with you.  If Al Qaeda did grow as you claim, Clinton deserves full credit for limiting them to the flyswats we just discussed and Bush deserves full blame for the disaster that happened on HIS watch.  HIS watch, get it?  NOT Clinton's watch.

<<2001 was actually a banner year for airline safety ,with a fifteen year low in deaths on aircraft.  So your example works better in reverse>>

LOL.  That was SOME banner year.  Pray you don't get another "banner year" like that one.  Somehow your post reminds me of the old joke, "The operation was a success but the patient died."

   Never the less, you are baseing your argument on the bottom line and it is true that there were fewer airline accidents or terrorist incidents on airlines than in previous years. 

  It was definitely a failure on Bushes part to do no more than Clinton had been doing as the failures continued to grow . Failure being Al Qieda success.

   What are youreally saying , that Clinton did a better nothing than Bush did nothing?

  After 9-11 the nation was in a red eyed rage and no president would have had an option to do nothing , Bush was more successfull at restraining American rage than FDR was in similar circumstances, but did take effective action to curtail Al Queda growth .

    I wonder if a President Gore would have done FDR style and imprisoned the Americans who were of the offending race? Pobly not , but what he would have done diffrently than Clinton or Bush is just speculation .