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President Spock What if Barack Obama told his wife he wouldn't say "I love you" anymore?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110010712
BY EUGENE VOLOKH
Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said he doesn't tell his wife he loves her any more, because "I love you" has become a substitute for "true love." The Illinois senator said he hopes to show his love by explaining his ideas about their relationship to her. Guess what the wife would think about that.

Of course, the story (from the AP) is a little different:


Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said he doesn't wear the American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
Asked about the decision Wednesday in an interview with KCRG-TV in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the Illinois senator said he stopped doing so shortly after the attacks and instead hoped to show his patriotism by explaining his ideas to citizens.

"The truth is that right after 9-11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9-11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.

"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."

But the essence is similar: Wearing a flag pin is not supposed to be an explanation or an argument, just as "I love you" is not supposed to be an explanation or an argument. It's supposed to be a traditional statement of affection, powerful because it's clich?.
If you're in the sort of relationship in which you've never made such a statement--and here flag pin wearing is a little different than "I love you," since most citizens who love their country don't routinely say it--then you can indeed show your love in other ways. Returning to the analogy, you hear occasionally of old-fashioned couples who've never fallen into the "I love you" habit, but who love each other nonetheless.

Yet if you used to say this and then you stopped, the symbolic message is pretty powerful. And that's true even though many people say "I love you" without meaning it (just as there are some who wear the flag pin but are just opportunists, not patriots). Even if this abuse of the phrase weakens its symbolism, an outright renunciation of the phrase retains its symbolism just fine.

The American people want a president who loves their country and who expresses that love, at an emotional as well as an intellectual level. For better or worse, a President Spock won't get elected. Candidate Obama should know that.

Mr. Volokh is a law professor at UCLA.

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This strikes me as a small issue .

I wonder  why he couldn't  wear a flag on his lapel on Tuesday and then not on Wendsday with out comment?

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>>I wonder  why he couldn't  wear a flag on his lapel on Tuesday and then not on Wendsday with out comment? <<

Because he's sending a message to the Moveon.org folks who hate the flag and everything it stands for.

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Because he's sending a message to the Moveon.org folks who hate the flag and everything it stands for.
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They do?

How do you know this? I am pretty sure they have not stated this in any way.

It is of extreme unimportance to me whether a president wears a flag pin, and ehat he says to his wife is his own beeswax.

This is nitpicking, and you have picked the smallest nits ever.
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How do I know this .... lol

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This is such a non-issue.  Wearing that pin means nothing.  Half the morons who are on tv bitching about it aren't wearing pins.  It's a bullshit complaint and even though I'm sure Obama doesn't hate the flag, lately, who can blame anyone for hating the flag?  You idiots have turned it into an equivalent to this flag.


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Hopefully there is more to this forum than simple namecalling.


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This Obama wearing/not wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin has to be one of the lamest controversies I've seen in some time. And comparing it to saying "I love you" to a spouse? Not really the most intelligent comparison. His policy choices and his actions as a person (rather than as a lapel pin display device) are considerably more important than whether or not he wears a U.S. flag lapel pin.

I watch this stuff go down in the media, and it's almost like watching people distracted by shiny bits of tinfoil. Or chasing a laser dot on the wall. Recently, after a function for families but mostly for children, I watched as a group of children essentially chased after a little red dot caused by a laser pointer. They would flock as a whole from one side of the room to the other, yelling "Hey! There it is! There it is!" as the little red dot moved from one side of the room to the other and back again. And I'm watching this noise about the lapel pin, and it seems kinda like that little red dot, meaningless and insubstantial, but people are shouting "Hey! Look over there!" anyway.
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