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Campaign Frustrates Some Gay Activists
« on: January 26, 2008, 11:10:28 AM »
Campaign Frustrates Some Gay Activists

Jan 25, 6:48 AM (ET)

By DAVID CRARY
 

NEW YORK (AP) - Few constituencies are as eager for the Republican Party to falter this political season as gay-rights activists. Yet as they observe the Democratic presidential campaign and the rest of the electoral landscape, their high hopes often are mixed with frustration.

Even as they expect to support whichever Democrat gets the presidential nomination, many activists are disappointed that the three leading contenders rarely mention gay-rights topics unless responding to a question.

"They don't want to broach civil unions, marriage, equalizing benefits for same-sex couples," said Jennifer Chrisler, head of the Family Equality Council, which supports gay and lesbian families. "The vast majority of politicians don't lead, they follow."

There are other frustrations as well. Activists were dismayed that the Democratic-led Congress failed to approve two much-anticipated bills late last year - one defining anti-gay assaults as a federal hate crime, the other prohibiting anti-gay job discrimination.

And at a time when they hoped to be making advances, gays and lesbians are on the defensive in at least two states - facing a likely ballot item in Florida that would ban same-sex marriage and a measure in Arkansas aimed at banning them from adopting children or serving as foster parents.

Prior to the New Hampshire primary, the Boston-based gay newspaper Bay Windows - which circulates across New England - was approached by representatives of several Democratic candidates seeking an endorsement, editor Susan Ryan-Vollmar said.

Instead, Ryan-Vollmar wrote a biting column asserting that none of the front-runners - Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama or John Edwards - had shown enough courage on gay issues to deserve the customarily generous financial support of gay donors.

"They've merely settled on what the Democrats have staked out as a safe, consensus position, just far enough ahead of where the party was in 2004 to give a sense of progress but not so far as to threaten Middle America," Ryan-Vollmar wrote. "That's not leadership, it's poll-tested and party-approved pandering, pure and simple."

Rather than donating to any presidential candidate, gays and lesbians should give money to state and local candidates who support marriage rights, she wrote.

Debra Chasnoff, a San Francisco filmmaker whose documentaries often explore gay-rights themes, said the gay community's votes are up for grabs - to any candidate who seeks them boldly.

"They're all saying they're the ones for change - and one thing this country needs change on is having a president who's for marriage equality," Chasnoff said. "Instead, there's silence."

Kerry Eleveld, news editor of The Advocate, a prominent gay-oriented news magazine, drew a distinction between activists with major national gay-rights groups and local activists without ties to Washington powerbrokers.

"The grass-roots activists are upset that the candidates haven't been more out there, especially on the issue of same-sex marriage," she said. "The lobbyist activists think in terms of electability. They're always going to be a little more practical and give more leeway to the candidates."

The president of the largest national gay-rights organization, Joe Solmonese of the Human Rights Campaign, is upbeat about the campaign. His group co-sponsored a televised forum last August in which the Democratic candidates addressed gay-rights topics, and he believes most gays and lesbians remain enthusiastic about the Democratic field despite some impatience.

Solmonese also sees an easing of anti-gay rhetoric across the political scene - a contrast to 2004 and 2006 when voters in more than 20 states approved measures to ban gay marriage.

"Among those people who use the politics of fear, there's typically an element of American society that's put forward as a wedge issue, and in this election it's illegal immigrants," Solmonese said. "It doesn't seem to be us."

Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, noted that the campaign rhetoric is dominated by overarching issues - the economy, Iraq, health care - that virtually all voters, including gays, agree are paramount.

"These campaigns are driven by polling data," he said.

Beyond presidential politics and the Florida ballot measure, some activists point to other developments as reasons for optimism.

For example, a grass-roots group, the National Stonewall Democrats, is working to boost the number of gay and lesbian delegates at the Democratic National Convention. Spokesman John Marble said the goal is to have more than 320 such delegates out of a total of 4,049; that would be up from 282 gay delegates in 2004.

The long-term hope is that these gay delegates stay active in politics.

"In four or eight years, when the Democrats are competing again, we're hoping to present them with infrastructure we built this year," Marble said. "They'll have to interact with our community in much deeper ways."




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Re: Campaign Frustrates Some Gay Activists
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 01:10:38 PM »
Why don't those gay militants pull out a pad and pencil and do a little Ben Franklin?  On the left side, what's gonna happen to them if the Republicans win and nominate some more ass-holes to the Supreme Court.  On the right side, the worst that could happen to them under ANY Democratic President.

And then just shut the fuck up till the election's over?  Don't they know when they're shooting themselves in the foot?

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Re: Campaign Frustrates Some Gay Activists
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 04:29:50 PM »
Fatman might be a better person to ask this of.

I would think they are trying to get the maxmimum leverage they can so they can get the most out of their agenda.

I concur that they have a lot better chance ot get what they want from the Deomcrta but even there they will not get all of what they want since the Democrats will marginialize them as the Republicans have the Religious Right, aka talk a lot but do little else. The Democratic Party also knows that gays have no where else to go, so why give them little else other than lip service?

You watch. Once Hillary gets elected, she will puch throguh one of two pro-gay agenda items and thne you won't hear anything else from that Administration, substantively at least.
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Re: Campaign Frustrates Some Gay Activists
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 11:44:57 PM »
Fatman might be a better person to ask this of.

I would think they are trying to get the maxmimum leverage they can so they can get the most out of their agenda.

I concur that they have a lot better chance ot get what they want from the Deomcrta but even there they will not get all of what they want since the Democrats will marginialize them as the Republicans have the Religious Right, aka talk a lot but do little else. The Democratic Party also knows that gays have no where else to go, so why give them little else other than lip service?

You watch. Once Hillary gets elected, she will puch throguh one of two pro-gay agenda items and thne you won't hear anything else from that Administration, substantively at least.


Well thanks Prof.  First, let me say that I'm not a big fan of the Human Rights Campaign or most gay activists as a whole.  That's not to say that I don't support some of their work, because I do, but there are a lot of times that I don't care at all for the tack they take in accomplishing some of their goals.  This is one.  You are correct in your observation that the gay movement is in the process of being marginalized by the Democratic party.  You rarely ever see anything bold in an election campaign,  and especially in the primaries, and this is no exception.  The candidates are sticking with "safe" subjects and keeping some of the more controversial ones out of the spotlight.  You would think that some of the political directors of some of these groups would realize that, and as MT so eloquently put it, shut the fuck up until the elections over.  There is a time to air their gripes, but it isn't right this moment.

I'm not sure if I agree with you in that the gays can only be helped by the Dem party.  There are a lot of Republican moderates (governors like Schwarzenegger and Romney, before he started running) who are coming down on the side of gays in civil unions.  Even Dick Cheney.  So I think that ground has been made there, but I don't see the gay movement making any headway against the religious (especially fundamentalist) right.  Personally, I think that this is because both sides benefit from antagonizing the other.  The gays wear their drag outfits and make up and have a parade and the fundies (not trying to insult anyone here) drag up obscure verses from Old Judaic Law (whose importance Paul minimized in the loosening of dietary, clothing, and circumcision restrictions) and tell everyone that homosexuals are ruining marriage.

I'm all for gay marriage/civil unions/domestic partnership- whatever you want to call it.  I think that's my biggest hang-up with the gay rights folk, they throw a fit over stupid shit like what to call it.  To me, whether it's gay marriage or civil union is irrelevant, I don't care what it's called as long as the rights are granted.  On most things I think I'm pretty middle of the road but on this I'm definitely on the left.  I DO think that there is common ground that both sides can meet on and begin to work towards a consensus, but right now both sides see it as an all or nothing proposition.

As to Hillary pushing through the gay agenda items, I wouldn't count on it, at least until a second term, if there is one.  If anything, she's a political animal, and won't jeopardize her position with something that may come back to bite her.

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Re: Campaign Frustrates Some Gay Activists
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 11:50:28 PM »
Excellent points, Fatman. Thanks.
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