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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2008, 04:07:09 PM »
I hear there are thousands of people that think the Clinton's had Vince Foster killed.  Why isn't the NYTimes-Enquirer running with that?
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I think that has already been done.

Oh yea.....when did it make front page news, of the NY Times??


I doubt that Hillary was holding a weapon, and it's very old news.

I doubt McCain had any affair, and its even OLDER news


You might as well ask why they don't reinvestigate Richard Nixon.

Precisely.  One doesn't have to wonder why the TimesEquirer is pushing this latest gossip story.  It's pretty transparent


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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2008, 02:07:08 AM »
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-ed22108feb22,0,2505177.story

Our position: McCain didn't live up to his principles in dealings with lobbyist

    February 22, 2008

Republican presidential front-runner John McCain tried to snuff out the controversy over a New York Times story about his relationship with a female lobbyist, but he instead raised doubts about the central theme of his candidacy -- his commitment to ethics.

The salacious suggestion that he had a romantic relationship with the lobbyist will be debated, no doubt, for days to come. But what isn't in dispute is that he gave this lobbyist -- whose clients sought his support on key issues and often got it -- extraordinary access.

While Mr. McCain's personal life is no doubt of interest to many voters, his commitment to his declared principles for governing is more important.

According to the Times, some of Mr. McCain's advisers in his 2000 presidential campaign became so worried that he was having an affair with the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, that they tried to keep the two apart. In a news conference, he flatly denied that any of his advisers had confronted him about Ms. Iseman, as the Times reported. He also denied granting her or any other lobbyists special access as former chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee.

Certainly in her case, that strains credulity. Mr. McCain attended a Miami fund-raiser with Ms. Iseman, for example, then flew with her back to Washington, D.C., on a corporate jet owned by one of her clients. Most people outside Washington would view this arrangement as the very definition of special access.

Mr. McCain offered the weak defense that such a trip "was an accepted practice." This "everybody did it" excuse is pitiful from a senator who has crusaded for ethics reform in Congress.

Mr. McCain also undercut his credibility when he denied having spoken to the Times about the story, then admitted having called the newspaper's editor about it.

Mr. McCain defended writing letters to federal regulators urging them to resolve a case involving one of Ms. Iseman's clients. Yet his efforts in the 1980s to intervene with regulators for friend and campaign fund-raiser Charles Keating almost destroyed his political career.

In his 2002 memoir, Mr. McCain wrote that the Keating 5 scandal taught him that "questions of honor are raised as much by appearances as by reality in politics . . . they need to be addressed no less directly than we would address evidence of expressly illegal corruption." By this logic, Mr. McCain's rebuttal of the admittedly years-old allegations in the Times would have been far more convincing if he had acknowledged at least the appearance of impropriety.

Mr. McCain's campaign Web site declares, "Restoring Americans' confidence in their government is what's at stake in this election." He can start by restoring confidence in his own candidacy.

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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2008, 02:44:21 AM »
Is it ethical to use ethics charges or insinuations for political gain?

Just asking?





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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2008, 02:58:22 AM »
Is it ethical to use ethics charges or insinuations for political gain?  Just asking?

When the target is a Republican, it's to be expected        :-\
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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2008, 10:06:15 AM »
Is it ethical to use ethics charges or insinuations for political gain?

No

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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2008, 01:19:23 PM »
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Is it ethical to use ethics charges or insinuations for political gain?

No

I was thinking the same thing. Doesn't matter whether the person is formally charged or eventually exonerated. The charge is what sticks in peoples minds.

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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2008, 01:25:52 PM »
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Is it ethical to use ethics charges or insinuations for political gain?
No

I was thinking the same thing. Doesn't matter whether the person is formally charged or eventually exonerated. The charge is what sticks in peoples minds.

Which I believe is the goal for many who support such a tactic
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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2008, 01:45:56 PM »
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Which I believe is the goal for many who support such a tactic

Then they are hypocrites and not worth listening to.

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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2008, 01:47:31 PM »
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Which I believe is the goal for many who support such a tactic

Then they are hypocrites and not worth listening to.

But worth shining a big bright hypocritical spotlight on them, however?
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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2008, 01:59:38 PM »
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But worth shining a big bright hypocritical spotlight on them, however?

We come full circle.

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Re: McCain at risk over female lobbyist
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2008, 02:34:56 PM »
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