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Hugo Chavez must be ousted
« on: March 10, 2008, 11:18:21 AM »

The FARC Files
By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY
March 10, 2008; Page A14

Colombia's precision air strike 10 days ago, on a guerrilla camp across the border in Ecuador, killed rebel leader Ra?l Reyes. That was big. But the capture of his computer may turn out to be a far more important development in Colombia's struggle to preserve its democracy.

Reyes was the No. 2 leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, which has been at war with the Colombian government for more than four decades. His violent demise is a fitting end to a life devoted to masterminding atrocities against civilians. But the computer records expose new details of the terrorist strategy to bring down the government of Colombian President ?lvaro Uribe, including a far greater degree of collaboration between the FARC and four Latin heads of government than had been previously known. In addition to Venezuelan President Hugo Ch?vez, they are President Rafael Correa of Ecuador, Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega and Bolivian President Evo Morales.

Mr. Ch?vez is said to have been visibly distressed when told of the death of Reyes, a man he clearly admired. He also may have realized that he played a role in his hero's death, since it was later reported that the Colombian military had located the camp by intercepting a phone call to Reyes from the Venezuelan president.

Mr. Ch?vez rapidly ordered 10 battalions to the Colombian border. Should the Colombian military cross into Venezuela in search of FARC, he warned, it would mean war. That may have seemed like an unnecessary act of machismo. But the Colombia military has long claimed that the FARC uses both Ecuador and Venezuela as safe havens. Now it had shown that it wasn't afraid to act on that information.

There is a third explanation for Mr. Ch?vez's panic when he learned of the strike: He was alarmed about the possibility that his links with Reyes would be exposed. Sure enough, when the Colombian national police retrieved Reyes's body from Ecuador, it also brought back several computers from the camp. Documents on those laptops show that Mr. Ch?vez and Reyes were not only ideological comrades, but also business partners and political allies in the effort to wrest power from Mr. Uribe.

The tactical discussions found in the documents are hair-raising enough. They show that the FARC busies itself with securing arms and explosives, selling cocaine, and otherwise financing its terrorism operations through crime. In a memo last month, for example, a rebel leader discussed the FARC's efforts to secure 50 kilos of uranium, which it hoped to sell to generate income. In the same note, there is a reference to "a man who supplies me material for the explosive we are preparing, his name is Belisario and he lives in Bogot? . . ."

Though it is far from clear, Colombian national police speculated from this that a dirty bomb could be in the making. An April 2007 letter to the FARC secretariat lays out the terrorists' effort to acquire missiles from Lebanon. When Viktor Bout, allegedly one of the world's most notorious arms traffickers, was arrested in Thailand on Thursday, the Spanish-language press reported that he was located thanks to the Reyes computer files.

The maneuvers of thugs seeking power are no surprise. The more significant revelation is the relationship between the FARC and Mr. Ch?vez, Mr. Correa, Mr. Morales and Mr. Ortega. All four, it turns out, support FARC violence and treachery against Mr. Uribe.

According to the documents, Mr. Ch?vez's friendship with the FARC dates back at least as far as 1992, when he was in jail for an attempted coup d'etat in Venezuela and the FARC sent him $150,000. Now he is returning the favor, by financing the terrorist group with perhaps as much as $300 million. But money is the least important of the Ch?vez gifts. He is also using his presidential credentials on behalf of the FARC.

The FARC puts a lot of effort toward discrediting Mr. Uribe in the court of world opinion. A September letter from a rebel commander to "secretariat comrades" reads: "As to the manifesto, I suggest adding the border policy and making it public by all means possible to see if we can stop all the world from supporting uribismo [the agenda of Mr. Uribe] in the October elections." He then proposes a "clandestine" meeting between one rebel and Mr. Ch?vez in Caracas to discuss "our political-military project." Mr. Ch?vez, the rebels say in a later document, suggested that the FARC videotape any Colombian military strikes in the jungle for propaganda purposes.

In January, FARC leader Manuel Marulanda (aka "Sureshot") wrote to Mr. Ch?vez: "You can imagine the happiness that you have awoken in all the leaders, guerrillas, the Bolivarian Movement of New Colombia [and] the Clandestine Communist Party with the plan you put forth . . . to ask for the analysis and approval of recognizing the FARC as a belligerent [therefore legitimate] force."

The documents also show why it was a good idea for Colombia not to ask Ecuador for permission before moving against the FARC camp -- even though in the past it had done so when tangling with the rebels at the border. A January memo reports on a FARC meeting with the Ecuadorean minister of security, who said that Mr. Correa is "interested in official relations with the FARC" and has decided not to aid Colombia against the rebels. "For [Ecuador] the FARC is an insurgent organization of the people, with social and political proposals that it understands," the memo reads.

It also says Mr. Correa plans to increase commercial and political relations with North Korea, and that he requests that one of the FARC's hostages be released to him next time, so as to "boost his political efforts." A Feb. 28 letter from Reyes summarizes a meeting with an emissary of Mr. Correa: "He explained the proposal of Plan Ecuador, which seeks to counteract the damaging effects of Plan Colombia [the joint U.S.-Colombian effort against terrorism]."

Where do Bolivia and Nicaragua fit into this collaborative effort? An Oct. 4 letter from a rebel to FARC leader Marulanda reports that a Venezuelan minister has agreed that if there is a FARC summit, "Ch?vez would come with Ortega, Evo and Correa." All three, the letter said, are with Ch?vez to the death.

Write to O'Grady@wsj.com

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120510858118323265.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

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Re: Hugo Chavez must be ousted
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 01:21:06 PM »
The Venezuelans can oust Chavez in the next election.
Observe how there has been no war over this. Latin Americans can settle their own disputes 100% Condi- Free.

It is not up to you to oust Chavez or anyone else.

Imagine how many foreigners would like to see Juniorbush and Cheney leave office NOW.
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Re: Hugo Chavez must be ousted
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 03:47:54 AM »
The Venezuelans can oust Chavez in the next election.


Yes , but it was a near thing.


Oakland Tribune,  Dec 3, 2007
President Hugo Chavez suffered a stinging defeat Monday in a vote on constitutional changes that would have let him run for re-election indefinitely and solidify his bid to transform this major U.S. oil provider into a socialist state.

Voters defeated the sweeping

measures by a vote of 51 percent to 49 percent, said Tibisay Lucena, chief of the National Electoral Council, with voter turnout just 56 percent.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20071203/ai_n21142192

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Re: Hugo Chavez must be ousted
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 09:49:07 AM »
Venezuelans do not like the idea of an eternal president. Not even the most rabid Juniorbush supporters would want him there for even one more term.

The odds are that the computewr info linking Chavez was planted by the CIA so they can get Venezuela declared a "terrorism supporter" and get Congress to declare more sanctions.

And this would also raise the price of gasoline - a real boon to the Oligarchy.

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Re: Hugo Chavez must be ousted
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 09:58:45 AM »
And this would also raise the price of gasoline - a real boon to the Oligarchy.

Oh I am sure if Barack Hussein Obama or Hellary manage to fool the American people
and get elected gas prices are really going to drop, why I bet it'll be back to $2.00
a gallon within a year or two.  ::)


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Re: Hugo Chavez must be ousted
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2008, 09:59:14 AM »
And this would also raise the price of gasoline - a real boon to the Oligarchy.

Why? Chavez has already stopped selling oil to the US...
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 01:26:13 PM »
Why? Chavez has already stopped selling oil to the US...

This isn't true. Aren't they still selling gas at the local Citgo? Citgo BELONGS to Venezuela.

Chavez only suggested that he might look for other customers. But Venezuelan crude has a lot of sulfur in it, and many non-US refineries can't handles it without expensive modifications.

The US is putting the squeeze on Chavez, not because of any human rights violations, but because they don't like his policies and the fact that he is a bad example to others in Latin America. Food shipments are being limited, banking restrictions are being used to lower the value of the Bolivar (Venezuelan money).

Eventually, years from now, we will learn that the FARC computer was loaded with this bogus correspondence by the CIA, and it will be shrugged off just like the complicity between Nixon and the overthrow of Allende, the torture instructor Mitrione, and the Salvadorean death squads.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 02:03:10 PM »
This isn't true. Aren't they still selling gas at the local Citgo? Citgo BELONGS to Venezuela.

All of the Citgos in NC and MN are gone... Most are now Texaco.

It's my understanding that they are all closed or soon closing.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2008, 04:05:58 PM »
Posted on 07/12/2006 11:16:15 AM PDT by saganite

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum Corp. has decided to stop distributing gasoline to some 1,800 U.S. stations, shedding a lackluster segment of its business while forcing the owners of those stations to find other suppliers. ADVERTISEMENT

While it may create some logistical headaches for gasoline retailers in the short term, the move should not have any impact on the nation's overall fuel supply.

Citgo, which is wholly owned by Venezuela's state oil company, currently has to purchase 130,000 barrels a day from third parties in order to meet its service contracts at 13,100 stations across the U.S. This is less profitable than selling gasoline directly from its refineries.

Instead, the Houston-based company has decided to sell to retailers only the 750,000 barrels a day that it produces at three U.S. refineries in Lake Charles, La., Corpus Christi, Texas and Lemont, Ill., according to a statement late Tuesday.

That will mean that over the next year Citgo will cease distributing gasoline in 10 states and stop supplying some stations in four additional states, Citgo spokesman Fernando Garay said Wednesday.

Chavez has long claimed that parts of Citgo's business produce losses for Venezuela and constitute a subsidy for the U.S. economy.

Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez has also charged that Citgo isn't profitable enough and that its parent, state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela SA, or PDVSA, could at some point sell off some of the company's refineries.

However, in a sign of the apparently lucrative relationship between the two companies, PDVSA announced Wednesday that it has so far earned $400 million in dividends this year from Citgo.

The states where Citgo will stop selling gasoline are: Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma and South Dakota. A limited number of stations in Illinois, Texas, Arkansas and Iowa will also be affected.

Venezuela is the world's fifth-largest oil exporter and the U.S. is its top buyer. The United States relied on Venezuela for about 11 percent of its oil supply in 2005.

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I have noticed that Citgo has higher prices than other stations, and I always buy from whomever sells for less. Lartely this has been Valero, when I buy petrodiesel, maybe once every three months. Usually I fill up with 99% biodiesel, which is cheaper, and is not Big Oil.

Chavez is a blowhard, but then so is the US State Dept under Juniorbush. They are in a stupid name-calling contest that makes them both look like fools.

What Venezuela needs is to start growing its own food. Oil is an unreliable source of income.
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Re: Hugo Chavez must be ousted
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2008, 04:15:13 PM »
that sucker knew not to dare invade columbia!

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2008, 04:31:46 PM »
that sucker knew not to dare invade columbia!

He  didn't invade ColOmbia.

ColOmbia invaded Ecuador after some FARC guerrillas.

All three countries were once united under the name Gran Colombia. This explains the great similarities among their flags: Yellow blue red after Simon Bolivar's flag.

This was nothing more than a flap. Nothing ever comes of conflicts between South American countries, not since the Chaco War of the 1930's.
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