Obama Embraces Dean's 50-State Strategy

[Michael Tee]

<<Tee votes 1 way, Lanya votes the other.  Brass the tie-breaker?>>

Just keep in mind I'm not PREDICTING what Obama's gonna do, it's just what I hope he'll do.  Obama could turn out to be just as big a disappointment as Bill Clinton.

[Brassmask]

I love the blather about "threatening a fillibuster".  Nice cop-out

Do you deny that the GOP used a filibuster last week to table the global warming bill?

[sirs]

USED is not "threatening".  You did catch that part in my post you're responding too, right?

[Brassmask]

USED is not "threatening".  You did catch that part in my post you're responding too, right?

I did but I was curious if you were using a catchall phrase to deny the GOP had just last week used a filibuster.

But I would more pointedly ask if you are denying that the GOP did, in fact, filibuster the global warming bill?

And are you also denying the GOP has, in fact, threatened to filibust since 2006?

[sirs]

USED is not "threatening".  You did catch that part in my post you're responding too, right?

I did but I was curious if you were using a catchall phrase to deny the GOP had just last week used a filibuster.

No, not at all.  I advocate use of the fillibuster if the minority party is in fear of something passing they largely agree (be it rightly or wrongly), shouldn't pass.  same with the veto, vs the cop-out of legisators claiming they don't pass stuff because of a "threatning of a veto".  If you think legislation is appropriate, try to pass it.  If it's fillibustered, take that to your constituents, so at least they know you made the effort.  But to cry that "they threatened a fillibuster" is about as lame as any politican can get, be it GOP or Dem

But I would more pointedly ask if you are denying that the GOP did, in fact, filibuster the global warming bill?

Umm, no....see above.  Pretty glad they did, IMHO

And are you also denying the GOP has, in fact, threatened to filibust since 2006?

Not aware, but that's moot, and as I've already said, is a lame effort whomever party cries about it.  But if you wish to provide some examples of the GOP threatening a fillibuster, by all means.  I'd then criticize the cowardice of the Dems for not pushing the legislation, despite the supposed "threat"

[sirs]

So Brass....gonna break the tie breaker?  Is Oblather gonna work with the GOP and try producing legslative compromises, along with backing Isreal 110%, or are you hoping he's lying, and is simply saying the necessary things in order to get elected, with little to no intention of following thru with those claims/pledges?  Basically being consistent to his already mapped out voting record

Lanya votes for the former, and Tee voted the latter

[Plane]

How can he win your votes sirs, plane, ami, hnumpah, bt?

That is an interesting question , but what he would have to do to become right enough to please me would fowl his relationship with his base irevocably . Obama has a very very one sided voteing record he is as leftist as the leftmost Senator.

What he would need to do for my vote?

Practicly a head transplant.

He really should not try to change that much , by the time he won me over he would have aleniated the party that sponsored him so far.

A move twards the middle might reashure the vast middle enough to let him win the presidency , but trying to win the far right wing and the far left wing at the same time is a really bad idea. The move that far right would be understood as phony by both wings and the middle.

I would advise him to moderate himself , with moderation.

[Brassmask]

So Brass....gonna break the tie breaker?  Is Oblather gonna work with the GOP and try producing legslative compromises, along with backing Isreal 110%, or are you hoping he's lying, and is simply saying the necessary things in order to get elected, with little to no intention of following thru with those claims/pledges?  Basically being consistent to his already mapped out voting record

Lanya votes for the former, and Tee voted the latter

First of all, I don't know who "Oblather" is.

Secondly, if you are talking about Barack Obama, I've already stated that I imagine he will do exactly what he has said he will do.  I disagree with his full throated support of Israel and hoped that he would deal with them in an "even-handed" manner.  If he doesn't that's not a deal-killer for me.

I'm sorry my answer doesn't fit into your nice little convenient trap of being either a sell-out or a hypocrit my answer is my answer.

[Amianthus]

Like the filibuster that the Republicans used to table the global warming bill last week?  And the others they have either threatened or used since 2006?

Well, you know what they say (or did between 2001 and 2006) - a filibuster is the only power that the minority party has, if they didn't filibuster, they wouldn't get anything.

[sirs]

So Brass....gonna break the tie breaker?  ... Lanya votes for the former, and Tee voted the latter

First of all, I don't know who "Oblather" is.

The opposing candidate to some fella named McSame

Secondly, if you are talking about Barack Obama, I've already stated that I imagine he will do exactly what he has said he will do. 

ok....let's see, Brass votes for what Obama says vs what he does.  I think that's in line with what Lanya votes.  Works for me.  I'm afraid to tell you though, it's likely to be more in line with Tee, lying and saying whatever he needs to say to be elected, the push a hard left executive and legislative agenda.  Which ironically you'll likely have no problem with either.  So what if he lies, as long as the end game is achieved, right?

I'm sorry my answer doesn't fit into your nice little convenient trap of being either a sell-out or a hypocrit my answer is my answer.

No, it works fine.  You're trying to walk a very fine tightrope, without falling into a hypocritical abyss

[Brassmask]

Like the filibuster that the Republicans used to table the global warming bill last week?  And the others they have either threatened or used since 2006?

Well, you know what they say (or did between 2001 and 2006) - a filibuster is the only power that the minority party has, if they didn't filibuster, they wouldn't get anything.

Then quit whining about it.

[Amianthus]

Then quit whining about it.

Not whining, just stating facts. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have a good track record of "working together," unlike some of the claims around here.