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Michael Tee

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« on: October 12, 2008, 02:06:55 AM »
http://kagro-x.dailykos.com/

check out this site for 2 ads (video clips) - - first attacking Liddy Dole for voting against a bill to provide troops in Iraq with modern body armour; a vet fires an AK-47 at two dummies, one wearing the actual body armour currently used in Iraq and the other wearing modern body armour.  Then they take the vests off the two dummies - - one is shot full of holes and the other, not a mark.  And then the vet thanks Liddy Dole for not voting for the modern body armout for troops.
The other is a vet in his driveway - - young guy.  "Thanks a lot, McCain" - - He says when McCain was in Viet Nam, the U.S. government provided free college tuition for vets, the new G.I. Bill does not.  John McCain was absent from the Senate when the Senate was voting on the bill.  McCain was attending a fund raising party with his rich corporate lobbyist pals.

These ads look pretty effective and I think they'll cost McCain a  lot of votes from the military and their families.  This guy is a real fraud.

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Re: VoteVets Ads
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 02:38:23 AM »
More Lies:

Votevets and Brave New Films are intertwined with Moveon.org


June 19, 2008 4:12 PM
ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf reports: Sen. John McCain did not vote last month when Senators passed their version of a war funding emergency supplemental.

But, with the addition of a clause allowing service members to transfer their benefits to family members, McCain now supports the 21st Century Bill of Rights, the proposal to give substantially more benefits to veterans for college after their service in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And he'll support a deal between the White House and House Democrats to fund the war along with $21 billion in domestic spending.

In a written statement from his Senate office -- while he never explicitly says he'll vote for it -- the Arizona Republican praises a deal between White House and Congressional negotiators for a war funding bill that includes the GI Bill, and $21 billion in non-war-related funding like a three month extension of unemployment benefits and emergency funding for Katrina and Midwest flood relief.

Cut out of the bill are billions in low income heating fuel assistance and grants for state and local law enforcement agencies. Last month, he called a similar but more expensive version of the supplemental war funding bill "bloated" and "loaded down with extraneous provisions unrelated to the ongoing conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Today, McCain's Senate office released a written statement which read:

?I am pleased an agreement has finally been reached to fund our troops... Fortunately, it is reported that an agreement between the House, Senate, and Administration is imminent, and urgently needed funding will be enacted shortly not only to aid our troops, but to fund several emergencies throughout our nation, particularly in the Midwest. We need to provide federal assistance to these flood damaged communities as soon as possible."

When the Senate had considered its version of the war supplemental, McCain had argued, along with the White House and the Pentagon, that the new GI Bill, which got support from a veto-proof majority of Senators, would encourage service members to leave the military. He had offered a less generous counterproposal that would have given service members a much smaller credit for college and given better benefits to people who served longer.

It would also have allowed veterans to transfer their benefits to family members. This last point is addressed in the compromise with a clause to allow veterans to transfer their benefits. But the benefits themselves will be at the higher level endorsed by Sens. Jim Webb, D-VA, Chuck Hagel, R-Neb, and John Warner, R-VA.

"That has always been my primary concern with respect to the Webb bill, and it is essential that we continue to act decisively to encourage military service and ensure the well being of our All Volunteer Force," McCain said in the written statement.

"With the addition of the transferability provisions sought by Senators Graham, Burr, myself and others to give service members the right to transfer earned G.I. Bill benefits to spouses and children, we will have achieved in offering vastly improved educational benefit while also offering incentives for continued service by the most capable, experienced NCO?s and officers. Our courageous NCO?s and officers called for this option, and I believe that its inclusion in this bill will help maintain retention levels in all the Services where it needs to be for the well being of the All Volunteer Force and our Nation.?

It is likely that McCain's opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, will oppose the final supplemental funding bill because it does not include a binding requirement for the phased withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. Obama has publicly supported the GI Bill proposal.

The White House supports the new supplemental bill including the GI Bill portion, and that presumably means the Pentagon agrees with it too.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/mccain-now-supp.html


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Re: VoteVets Ads
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 10:01:09 AM »
It is likely that McCain's opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, will oppose the final supplemental funding bill because it does not include a binding requirement for the phased withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. Obama has publicly supported the GI Bill proposal.


This is not really an issue, even if he votes against it, since after the election, Obama will not veto, as Juniorbush did, the phased withdrawal concept, and he will favor the GI bill.

Congress will have fewer Republicans after the elections. All the polls say this will happen. Voters should take this into consideration.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 12:59:30 PM »
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This is not really an issue, even if he votes against it, since after the election, Obama will not veto, as Juniorbush did, the phased withdrawal concept, and he will favor the GI bill.

Good. I guess we can look forward to video ads from the same group blasting Obama.


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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 01:26:14 PM »
I do not look forward to any negative ads blasting anyone for doing anything other than blasting their opposition for airing negative ads.

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Re: VoteVets Ads
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 01:45:58 PM »
I do not look forward to any negative ads blasting anyone for doing anything other than blasting their opposition for airing negative ads.



how convenient

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 02:17:31 PM »
It's not a matter of convenience. I think smear ads are inevitable what with McCain getting desperate and Rove standing by.

What I meant is that I do not anticipate such ads with glee.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 02:25:14 PM »
I don't believe McCain or Rove were responsible for the VoteVet blatantly false and misleading ads. That would be the surrogates of Obama.






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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 02:34:51 PM »
The nastiest ads have been the McCain ads, nonetheless.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 02:57:47 PM »
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The nastiest ads have been the McCain ads, nonetheless.

Define nasty?

And are you including all the nonsense put forth by the Obama Fanatics.


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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 09:47:47 PM »
The is far more nastiness in the McCain ads that I have seen.McCain himself says an Obama preesidency is nothing to fear, but his ads say precisely the opposite. Not ready, associates with "terrorists", No one knows who he is, al that guilt by association crap about Resko and Wright.

Palin is worse by quite a bit than McCain-- but she is just a shill, saying whatever the Man wants he to say.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2008, 06:36:57 AM »
So nastiness is in the eye of the beholder.

And i guess you think Obama's Keating 5 ads were above the board.

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 10:19:24 AM »
And i guess you think Obama's Keating 5 ads were above the board.


I have not seen these, so I don't know. McCain did take Keating's money, and did him some favors. I don't think it reveals much more than ambition, and it has little to do with the sort of president McCain might make. The major things that I like about Obama are his opposition to constant war, healthcare and the nominees he is likely to make to the Supreme Court. In addition, I think he will immediately cause a surge of confidence in the US abroad, where Juniorbush has done excessive harm.

I think all these 60 and 30 second spots are inherently an extremely poor source of info on any candidate, and I don't take any of them seriously. I was just commenting on the ads that I have seen. There are at least three every hour on every station except PBS. Obama seems to be running about twice as many as McCain.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 10:32:42 AM »
McCain did take Keating's money, and did him some favors.

McCain turned over the money from Keating to the Feds, and it's really questionable if he did him any favors - one of the examiners has testified that McCain's comments caused them to intensify the investigation so that it could be completed faster.
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