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Obama trained ACORN workers
« on: October 10, 2008, 03:25:19 PM »
Don't bother asking Barack Obama. He cut his ideological teeth working with ACORN as a "community organizer" and legal representative.

Plus, according to ACORN, Obama trained its Chicago members in leadership seminars for several years in the early '90s. And Obama sat on the boards of the Woods Fund and Joyce Foundation, both of which poured money into ACORN's coffers.

Naturally, ACORN's political action committee has warmly endorsed his presidential candidacy.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06262008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/acorn__os_ugly_ally_117189.htm

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 03:09:23 PM »
I suppose the ones he trained are not the ones they have to fire.

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2008, 03:36:23 PM »
I suppose the ones he trained are not the ones they have to fire.

The ones they fired who were indicted were in Kansas City, MO, all the way in Western Missouri, a long ways from Illinois.
So no, Obama is unlikely to have had to do much about training them
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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 01:10:47 PM »
Obama stated on his website, "Barack Obama Never Organized with ACORN." Just like he has done with all of his other radical, leftwing alliances, he has tried to cover them up.

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 01:12:49 PM »





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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2008, 02:04:56 PM »
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The ones they fired who were indicted were in Kansas City, MO, all the way in Western Missouri, a long ways from Illinois.

I did not know the ACORN skillset was not transportable.

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2008, 02:39:47 PM »
No one hires volunteers in Illinois and then takes them to Missouri. The reason to hire local volunteers is that they know the town and the people. I said, if you will but read the previous passage I was referring to, that the people busted in Kansas City were almost certainly not from Illinois, so Obama was unlikely to have taught them, or have been responsible for them in any way.


ACORN basically sends people out, usually in pairs, with a clipboard and registration materials. They ask everyone here "Are you a citizen?" and if they say they are, they ask them, "Would you like to register to vote?"

My students have worked for ACORN. It's a minimum wage thing, except for volunteers, who are not paid at all.

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2008, 03:13:18 PM »
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My students have worked for ACORN.


How do you know that?

Why would that come up in a Spanish class?

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2008, 03:19:54 PM »
How do you know that?

Why would that come up in a Spanish class?

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It wouldn't, and it didn't. In a small university, we need to do a lot of things other than teach. For several years, I assisted the Foreign Student Adviser, and part of the job was to match up students with part-time jobs. Being as it was known that we had a better lists of jobs than the person who was supposed to do this for American students, I also assisted in helping anyone who showed up looking for a job.

You aren't familiar with small colleges, I suppose. We are required to keep office hours to tutor students, give make-up tests and the like, but rarely did students show up, except at the end of the term, when those who missed tons of classes became interested in passing and came to beg for grades. So we did other things during our office hours to help students.
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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2008, 03:49:41 PM »
>>How do you know that?<<

He doesn't, but that never stops him.

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2008, 07:33:41 PM »
Did you refer the students for jobs with ACORN? Did they come to you and say they worked for ACORN? This still isn't clear.

At first you said "my" students worked for ACORN, and now you are saying students at the University in general worked for ACORN. Which is it?

You also claimed that students typically don't come to your office until the end of the school year to beg for a better grade. But the new school year just started, presumably, so again how did the issue of ACORN come up with your students if you weren't talking about the issue during your Spanish class?

Does begging you typically result in you providing the student with a better grade?


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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2008, 07:49:02 PM »
You also claimed that students typically don't come to your office until the end of the school year to beg for a better grade. But the new school year just started, presumably, so again how did the issue of ACORN come up with your students if you weren't talking about the issue during your Spanish class?

Does begging you typically result in you providing the student with a better grade?


My SPANISH students did not hear about jobs, such as ACORN and others offered in class. The students that tended to appear were foreign students and others, and they came to the Foreign Student Advisor's Office, where I filled in while she was elsewhere. On maybe two occasions, a student in my class asked about getting them a job, and I told them to come see me at the foreign student office, where I did my office hours twice a week.

I treated each and every student exactly the same. Grades were the average of tests, homework, class participation and the final exam. I figured it out with a program called Gradebook. I gave out grades every other Friday, then posted them, listed by student number, on my office door. A 79.5 was rounded to an 80 and got a B-. A 79.4 rounded to a 79 and got a C+. Anyone who came to my office got tutored in whatever they were missing.

In thirty-two years, no one ever complained to the Grade Dispute Committee, on which I served for the last ten years, because that way it avoided complaints of impropriety, and since the other members were chosen because they also had no disputes, none of us ever had to recuse ourselves from the hearings.

When begged, I would smile and say, "no, it doesn't work that way. I am not judging you. I know you could do better just like you do, but I am limiting myself to my opinion of your knowledge of Spanish". Very occasionally, they would continue begging and I spoke to them only en espaƱol. That worked pretty well.

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 08:42:53 PM »
I suppose begging in Spanish would have worked better.

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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 10:38:06 PM »
I suppose begging in Spanish would have worked better.
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Well, yes. But I never said that there were any components to the grade other than those written in the Syllabus, so I doubt that this would have changed my mind.
 
Strangely, no one ever tried.

I failed only one guy who was fluent in Spanish. I recognized immediately that he did not belong in SPA 201, and I old him to transfer to a more advanced intermediate class. He just sat there.

He never bought a book, he came about one-third of the time, usually 10-15 minutes late. He never turned in an assignment, and took only one of three tests. I told him that he had to come to class, bring a book and turn in the assignments or he would fail. He just sat there looking at me like a cat, blinking.

His grade come out to a 42% and I awarded him an F.
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Re: Obama trained ACORN workers
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2008, 12:09:31 AM »
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