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Kramer

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Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« on: April 14, 2010, 12:28:27 PM »
I'm sure he's running multiple scare schemes but add terrorist nuke threat to the list.

It really isn't that hard for a person of average intelligence to see through the Obama tactic of using crises to gain more government control thus pushing forward his socialist agenda. Be it the stimulus to avoid a depression, or health care to cover all the unemployed, or terrorist getting nukes his group are poised to take advantage and use these things to scare people.

Any other crises I'm missing?

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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 02:39:31 PM »
<<Any other crises I'm missing?>>

1.  The looming "catastrophe" of Iranian nukes

2.  The falling of the sky onto the earth if the Taliban re-take Afghanistan

3.  The sacrifice of centuries-old Fifth Amendment rights so that  "terrorists" will not kill us all

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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 02:41:34 PM »
I forgot Climate Change

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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 03:22:47 PM »
Riddle me this....if "nukes" are to become an imposing growing threat.....why are we cutting off our retaliatory options at the same time??  (for Xo & like minds, that has nothing to do with decreasing the amount of nukes in our inventory, but specifically in when they'd be used)
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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 07:32:11 PM »
I can appreciate the level of confusion we all must have in trying to answer that one, regarding this administration
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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 07:50:06 PM »
Riddle me this....if "nukes" are to become an imposing growing threat.....why are we cutting off our retaliatory options at the same time??  (for Xo & like minds, that has nothing to do with decreasing the amount of nukes in our inventory, but specifically in when they'd be used)


Doesn't matter that much .

If the US and Russia own ten times the bombs as all the rest put together , and the change is that the US and Russia will move to owning five times as many as all the rest , the practical diffrence is small .

There will still be enough of them to cause The Day After .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After


I don't think it matters enough to be a real diffrence , if you have shot a guy in the heart twice he isn't twice dead.

We are not worried so much anymore that Russians will get stupid with a few thousand atomic bombs, we are more worried these days that someone who is stuck on stupid from a way back will gather a few of them .

On this point I find I think something like President Obama.


Pardon me while I go take my tempreture.

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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 07:52:33 PM »
But again Plane, this isn't an issue in reducing our inventory.  This is an issue in when they're to be deployed....Under what circumstances. they're to be used vs not. 
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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 09:06:03 PM »
But again Plane, this isn't an issue in reducing our inventory.  This is an issue in when they're to be deployed....Under what circumstances. they're to be used vs not. 

     Does what we say during peace ("peace"being relitive)influence our choices during war?  If preserveing the nation requires the use of a-bombs I expect President Obama to quote Sista Soldja and shoot.

       Detant from possession of ten times the warheads needed to destroy the planet down to just twice enough warheads to destroy the planet is a saveings in storage and maintainence cost.

       Nobody really cares that France has them or Canada or the Ukraine has them , or that Japan hasn't got them , these entities are too sane to be frightening. North Korea or Iran are frightening with only a few. Packistan and India are liable to pop some Nukes on their own doorsteps  , that is scary.

    If the disarmament moves on to reduce the nukes where they are most likely to be used as problem solvers (for small problems) then it will have made a real diffrence.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After

During the debate, Sagan discussed the concept of nuclear winter and made his famous analogy, describing the arms race in the following terms: "Imagine a room awash in gasoline, and there are two implacable enemies in that room. One of them has nine thousand matches, the other seven thousand matches. Each of them is concerned about who's ahead, who's stronger."

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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 03:03:53 AM »
Unilateral decrease in our inventory will do nothing to inhibit any increase in the goal oriented inventories of precisely those dangerous regimes you've mentioned.  Coupled with a declaration of how they won't be used, merely emboldens those states to speed up their ambitions
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Re: Obama's Next Scare Ploy
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 01:35:52 PM »
WASHINGTON -- There was something oddly disproportionate about the just-concluded nuclear summit to which President Obama summoned 46 world leaders, the largest such gathering on American soil since 1945. That meeting was about the founding of the United Nations, which 65 years ago seemed an event of world-historical importance.

But this one? What was this great convocation about? To prevent the spread of nuclear material into the hands of terrorists. A worthy goal, no doubt. Unfortunately, the two greatest such threats were not even on the agenda.

The first is Iran, which is frantically enriching uranium to make a bomb, and which our own State Department identifies as the greatest exporter of terrorism in the world.

Nor on the agenda was Pakistan's plutonium production, which is adding to the world's stockpile of fissile material every day.

Pakistan is a relatively friendly power, but it is the most unstable of all the nuclear states. It is fighting a Taliban insurgency and is home to al-Qaeda. Suicide bombs go off regularly in its major cities. Moreover, its own secret service, the ISI, is of dubious loyalty, some of its elements being sympathetic to the Taliban and thus, by extension, to al-Qaeda.

So what was the major breakthrough announced by Obama at the end of the two-day conference? That Ukraine, Chile, Mexico and Canada will be getting rid of various amounts of enriched uranium.

What a relief. I don't know about you, but I lie awake nights worrying about Canadian uranium. I know these people. I grew up there. You have no idea what they're capable of doing. If Sidney Crosby hadn't scored that goal to win the Olympic gold medal, there's no telling what might have ensued.

Let us stipulate that sequestering nuclear material is a good thing. But, it is a minor thing, particularly when Iran is off the table, and Pakistan is creating new plutonium for every ounce of Canadian uranium shipped to the U.S.

Perhaps calculating that removing relatively small amounts of fissile material from stable friendly countries didn't quite do the trick, Obama proudly announced that the U.S. and Russia were disposing of 68 tons of plutonium. Unmentioned was the fact that this agreement was reached 10 years ago -- and, under the new protocol, doesn't begin to dispose of the plutonium until 2018. Feeling safer now?

The appropriate venue for such minor loose-nuke agreements is a meeting of experts in Geneva who, after working out the details, get their foreign ministers to sign off. Which made this parade of world leaders in Washington an exercise in misdirection -- distracting attention from the looming threat from Iran, regarding which Obama's 15 months of terminally naive "engagement" has achieved nothing but the loss of 15 months.

Indeed, the Washington summit was part of a larger misdirection play -- Obama's "nuclear spring." Last week, a START treaty, redolent of precisely the kind of Cold War obsolescence Obama routinely decries. The number of warheads in Russia's aging and decaying nuclear stockpile is an irrelevancy now that the existential U.S.-Soviet struggle is over. One major achievement of the treaty, from the point of view of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, is that it could freeze deployment of U.S. missile defenses -- thus constraining the single greatest anti-nuclear breakthrough of our time.

This followed a softening of the U.S. nuclear deterrent posture (sparing non-proliferation compliant states from U.S. nuclear retaliation if they launch a biochemical attack against us) -- a change so bizarre and literally unbelievable that even Hillary Clinton couldn't get straight what retaliatory threat remains on the table.

All this during a week when top U.S. military officials told Congress that Iran is about a year away from acquiring the fissile material to make a nuclear bomb. Then, only a very few years until weaponization.

At which point the world changes irrevocably: the regional Arab states go nuclear, the Non-Proliferation Treaty dies, the threat of nuclear transfer to terror groups grows astronomically.

A timely reminder: Syria has just been discovered transferring lethal Scud missiles to Hezbollah, the Middle East's most powerful non-state terrorist force. This is the same Syria that was secretly building a North Korean-designed nuclear reactor until the Israeli air force destroyed the facility three years ago.

But not to worry. Canadian uranium is secured. A nonbinding summit communique has been issued. And a "Work Plan" has been agreed to.

Oh yes. And there will be another summit in two years. The dream lives on.


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