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3 Negro Congresssman Lied
« on: April 13, 2010, 12:13:28 PM »
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Wrong video of health protest spurs N-word feud

Three Democratic congressmen — all black — say they heard racial slurs as they walked through thousands of angry protesters outside the U.S. Capitol. A white lawmaker says he heard the epithets too. Conservative activists say the lawmakers are lying.

What does the video show? Not much. Indeed, new interviews show that a much-viewed YouTube recording cited as evidence by conservatives was actually shot well after the time in question.

It was March 20, near the end of the bitter health care debate, when Reps. John Lewis, Andre Carson and Emanuel Cleaver say that some demonstrators, many of them tea party activists, yelled the "N-word" as the congressmen walked from House office buildings to the Capitol.

Stung by the charges of racism, conservatives and tea party activists insist it never happened. And one of them is offering big money if anyone can prove it did.

With so many media and citizen cameras at the demonstration, any epithets would have been caught on tape, says Andrew Breitbart. He's the web entrepreneur who released the video of ACORN workers counseling actors posing as a pimp and prostitute, and has pledged $100,000 to the United Negro College Fund if anyone provides proof of the epithets.

"It didn't happen," said Breitbart, who wasn't there. "This is 2010. Even a racist is media-savvy enough not to yell the N-word."

The dispute pits the lawmakers — one of them, Lewis, is a leader and survivor of 1960s civil rights battles — against conservatives determined to counter claims of racism within the predominantly white and middle-aged tea party movement. The criticism has proven a distraction to a nascent movement pushing a unified message of fiscal conservatism and limited government.

The issue still echoes in the media and blogosphere.

"Listen, I was there," Carson, D-Ind., said in an interview. "In many regards I think (the challenges are) a veiled attempt to justify actions that are simply unjustifiable. I think we need to move toward a dialogue that explores why this kind of divisive and reprehensible language is still making it into our political debate."

A fourth Democrat, Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina, who is white, backed up his colleagues, telling the Henderson (N.C.) Times-News that he heard the slurs.

A reconstruction of the events shows that the conservative challenges largely sprang from a mislabeled video that was shot later in the day.

Breitbart posted two columns on his Web site saying the claims were fabricated. Both led with a 48-second YouTube video showing Lewis, Carson, other Congressional Black Caucus members and staffers leaving the Capitol. Some of the group were videotaping the booing crowd.

Breitbart asked why the epithet was not captured by the black lawmakers' cameras, and why nobody reacted as if they had heard the slur. He also questioned whether the epithets could have been shouted by liberals planted in the crowd.

But the 48-second video was shot as the group was leaving the Capitol — at least one hour after Lewis, D-Ga., and Carson walked to the Capitol, which is when they said the slurs were used.

Questioned about using a video on his Web site from the wrong moment, Breitbart stood by his claim that the lawmakers were lying.

"I'm not saying the video was conclusive proof," he said.

Lewis declined to discuss the issue with The Associated Press. Asked whether the epithet was used, his spokeswoman said: "Yes. Congressman Lewis did hear the N-word yelled from the crowd."

Carson described leaving the Cannon House Office Building for votes and bumping into Lewis in the elevator. They chose to walk outside to the Capitol, rather than through the underground tunnels.

Conservatives say Democrats staged a march through a hostile crowd to instigate a reaction. Carson said there was no such plan: It was just the first day of spring.

Soon after leaving Cannon, "I hear someone say it," said Carson, a former police officer. "You see one or two tea party people kind of look at him, and then you hear it again as we're walking. Then we walk across (Independence Avenue), and that's when it starts getting deeper."

Carson said he heard it coming from different places in the crowd. "You heard it in spurts, in the midst of 'Kill the bill. Kill the bill.'"

"One guy, I remember he just rattled it off several times. Then John looks at me and says, 'You know, this reminds me of a different time.'"

Cleaver, D-Mo., was walking a distance behind Carson and Lewis. He says he heard the epithet and was spit on. Capitol police handcuffed a man after Cleaver said he was spit on, but Cleaver told reporters that he did not want to press charges. No arrests were made. The moment was captured on video; debate continues over whether it shows any spitting.

In a separate case, Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay, said he was called "faggot."

On Fox News, Bill O'Reilly discussed the issue on four of his shows, beginning March 22. The first segment led with clips from the 48-second video and featured Dana Loesch, a radio talk-show host who accused the congressmen of fabricating their claims.

O'Reilly said, "Just because it's not on tape doesn't mean it's fabricated." A spokeswoman said O'Reilly thinks that something happened, but is not sure exactly what.

A few days later, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., told an audience, "No witness saw it, it's not on camera, it's not on audio."

Only 22 seconds of video have emerged from the time in question, filmed by Lee Fang of the liberal American Progress think tank. His YouTube clip — labeled as being filmed about five minutes after the crowd rushed Lewis and Carson — has been posted by Breitbart and dozens of blogs accusing Democrats of lying.

Fang told the AP he was standing "pretty far away" across Independence Avenue from the Cannon building when he saw the crowd erupt, so he hurried over. Fang did not hear the epithet, but he said he believes it was used. "The hatred was palpable," he said.

Conservatives insist the absence of racial epithets on Fang's video and the 48-second clip show there was no hate.

"If it didn't happen on YouTube," says a regretful Fang, "it didn't happen at all."

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Re: 3 Negro Congresssman Lied
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 02:00:39 PM »
Same problem for Fang as for all the other deniers - - how do they expect a video that can't pick up ANY word from the angry mob can pick up the N-word?

What magical properties does the N-word possess that enable it to be picked up by equipment that can't seem to pick up any other word in the English language?

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 02:31:19 PM »
Hey Tee, I'm on your side.  It was said.  That's the goal of folks like Jason Levin.  Plant operatives to spout garbage, like the N-word, at Tea Party events.  You see...we're on the same page     ;)
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 03:57:20 PM »
Hey Tee, I'm on your side.  It was said.  That's the goal of folks like Jason Levin.  Plant operatives to spout garbage, like the N-word, at Tea Party events.  You see...we're on the same page     ;)

so you believe it was said by a 'plant' or a person opposed to the Tea Party trying to discredit them. That makes sense. So I guess the 3 Negro Congressmen told the truth.

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 04:34:43 PM »
That's been my theory since the beginning, that happens to have FAR more validity than trying to paintbrush an entire group, now made more so by Levin's concession of using plants.

Think about it (which is why Tee can't possibly grasp this concept), IF the Tea partiers were this bunch of racist folk, there'd have been MORE than enough opportunities in someone using their camera phone to record this supposed frequent like minded mindset, at all these rallies, going on all the time, across the country.

What's Tee have?.....That Obama is Black, Tea partiers are mostly white, some congress critter says he heard the N word.....it must be racism.  Can't possibly be that Obama's policies are detrimental this this country & that they strongly disagree with them, or they oppose his & the Dems efforts to ram rod all this european socialist garbage into a country that by huge diverse majorities oppose, or the exponential debt, greater than every other president combined, being placed on our Children and our children's children.  No, that would require thought.  That would require rationally debating issues and the reasons for supporting or not supporting whavever.  No, let's just unsubstantially call them racists, and be done with any thinking, and get back to some serious ranting about those evil greedy racist republicans & conservatives
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: 3 Negro Congresssman Lied
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 11:44:45 AM »
"There is a class of colored people who make a
business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs,
and the hardships of the Negro race before the public.

Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances,
because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class
of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."


Booker T. Washington
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: 3 Negro Congresssman Lied
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2010, 01:20:27 PM »
"There is a class of colored people who make a
business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs,
and the hardships of the Negro race before the public.

Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances,
because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class
of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."


Booker T. Washington


do liberals want any of their 'crises' to improve? the answer is no because then the lose their power to control it.

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2010, 05:04:02 PM »
Booker T was born in slavery and died in 1915.  Meaning that he lived his whole life under either slavery or Jim Crow.  Meaning that he lived and died in an America where lynchings, beatings, rapes and permanent back-of-the-bus status were the inescapable realities of life for most black folk.  Black men and women each had the option to fight the oppressor "by any means necessary" or to cooperate with Whitey despite Whitey's uncountable atrocities and crimes upon thousands of innocent black men, women and children.

Booker T chose to be a "good Negro" and a "credit to his race" and had Whitey slobbering all over his smiling black face just to prove that he (Whitey) wasn't really the raping killing lynching lying racist son-of-a-bitch that the whole world knew him to be.  Booker T, or at least the version of him that Whitey loves to peddle all over the world as proof of his own fraudulent good intentions, is of great assistance in burying Whitey's role in slavery and racist genocide and allowing him to broadcast proof of his own false benevolence to the rest of the world. 

I'm sure there's a real Booker T buried under all that fake tinsel, someone who always knew what time it was, but we'll never see him now.

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 05:25:49 PM »
No Booker T knew the truth.....
The truth of "gittterdone".
Booker T realized getting your ass in gear will getcha farther than whining
Whitey aint gonna save yo ass.
Yo ass has gots to save yo own ass.
Sure it's not fair...Booker T said "SO WHAT? Getta out the way"!
Booker T did while other did not.
Booker T's legacy is ya'll whine while I get something done.
Thats the quickest way to reaching your dreams...
Not waiting around for apologies and handouts!
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 08:03:23 PM »
Well said.

It don't let Whitey off the hook none, but it's probably the best option that Booker T had, the country not being ready for any  Revolutionary alternative.

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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2010, 09:19:00 PM »
Michael....the best hope for African Americans is education
I suppose thats a "duh"....it's a no brainer
But I wish more of them and really everybody would "get it"
Maybe it will take a few more generations
The cheapest way to solve the African American problem is education
Their "ticket" out is not rap or the NBA/NFL....it's education!

Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers dont need welfare, "free" healthcare
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers aren't usually involved in violent crime
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers dont need subsidized housing
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers don't fill our prisons
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers can afford to raise their own children

But the problem with the solution...is the solution
the solution...education is failing....
"the best way out" is failing
we need to experiment with different ways to get the blacks well educated
hell even a racist should support trying harder to get them well educated
because "the problem" pretty much ceases to exist...if they are well educated
reparations?....hell instead of a lump sum of cash...how 'bout "Free College"
how many of the blacks in prison and/or on gvt subsidy have a college degree?
any questions?

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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2010, 09:51:51 PM »
<<Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers dont need welfare, "free" healthcare . . .>>

Well, realistically, what percentage of the whites or Asians do you think are "doctors/lawyers/engineers?"

Intellectually speaking, you're looking at maybe the top 5% of the population  and if the blacks had the same opportunities, what reason is there to think that any more than the top 5% of blacks would make it into the professional classes?

The smartest 5% of any race have always been able to look out for themselves.  They are NOT the problem.

Actually, professional services are subject to the same laws of supply and demand as anything else, whether that's gallons of gasoline, bars of soap or unskilled labour.  In Israel during the 1950s and/or 1960s, there was a surplus of doctors due to European immigration.  Doctors were moonlighting at other jobs because there wasn't enough work for all of them.  Doctors in Israel were bitching that plumbers were making more money.

The other thing you seem to be missing is that people need housing NOW, not when their kids have been raised from birth to age 20 in the projects and then maybe the benefits of subsidized education begin to reach their kid brothers and kid sisters.  People with diseases need health care NOW, not twenty years from now when they are in their graves.  So, sure, education is a long-term benefit, but unless you're prepared to sacrifice an entire generation on the altar of smaller government, the immediate needs of the people have to be satisfied, well, immediatlely.

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2010, 09:52:43 PM »
Michael....the best hope for African Americans is education
I suppose thats a "duh"....it's a no brainer
But I wish more of them and really everybody would "get it"
Maybe it will take a few more generations
The cheapest way to solve the African American problem is education
Their "ticket" out is not rap or the NBA/NFL....it's education!

Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers dont need welfare, "free" healthcare
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers aren't usually involved in violent crime
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers dont need subsidized housing
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers don't fill our prisons
Doctors/Lawyers/Engineers can afford to raise their own children

But the problem with the solution...is the solution
the solution...education is failing....
"the best way out" is failing
we need to experiment with different ways to get the blacks well educated
hell even a racist should support trying harder to get them well educated
because "the problem" pretty much ceases to exist...if they are well educated
reparations?....hell instead of a lump sum of cash...how 'bout "Free College"
how many of the blacks in prison and/or on gvt subsidy have a college degree?
any questions?



Yes education but also for them to get away from the Democrat Party.
Get passed slavery
Get past past injustices
Get past racism

When compared to other races in the US Blacks are a very angry race and many carry a chip on their shoulder. I think the racist way Democrats treat them has really caused harm to generations American Blacks. When people like Biden and Reid say things like Obama is the first one that is clean and talks well what they mean is most blacks come off looking and sounding like Jesses Jackson and Al Sharpton meaning they act like they just stepped out of the hood.

The American Blacks that I know have gotten past a lot of that stuff are educated and are doing well.
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2010, 10:16:57 PM »
Wasn't Booker T Washington a strong proponent of education?

Education is the key to power , the ignorant rule the educated only temporarily .


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Overall the households and demographics featuring the highest educational attainment in the United States are also among those with the highest household income and wealth. Thus, while the population as a whole is proceeding further in formal educational programs, income and educational attainment remain highly correlated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States


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 The gap between race was the largest between foreign-born Asian Americans, over half (50.1%) of whom had a Bachelor's degree or higher and foreign-born Hispanics, 9.8% of whom had a four-year college degree. Hispanics and Latinos also trailed far behind in terms of graduating from high school; it was the only major ethnic group for which high school graduates constituted less than 80% of the population. This large inequality might partially be explained thorough the influx of uneducated Hispanic Americans who had not been offered the chance to complete secondary education in their home country. Overall nearly half (49.8%) of Asian Americans, nearly a third (30%) of non-Hispanic Whites, 17.3% of non-Hispanic Blacks, and just over a tenth (11.4%) of Hispanics or Latinos had a four-year college degree. The same racial differences decrease significantly at the high school level with 89.4% of non-Hispanic whites, 87.6% of Asian Americans, 80.0% of African Americans, and only 57% of Hispanics or Latinos having graduated from high school.[1]


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