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Lanya

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We found other avenues.
« on: December 27, 2006, 01:42:55 PM »
 http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/24/africa/web.1224WIRgettleman.php?page=1 

 Somalia may be the place that best illustrates a trend sweeping across the African continent: After Sept. 11, 2001, the United States concluded that anarchy and misery aid terrorism, and so it tried to re-engage Africa. But anti-American sentiment on the continent has only grown, and become increasingly nasty. And the United States seems unable to do much about it.

    A number of experts on Africa trace those developments to a sense not of American power, but of its decline — a perception that the United States is no longer the only power that counts, that it is too bogged down in the Middle East to be a real threat here, and so it can be ignored or defied with impunity….

    "The actual ability of the U.S. to influence circumstances on the ground in Africa has declined dramatically," said Michael Clough, a former director of the Africa program at the Council on Foreign Relations. "But the symbolic significance of the United States is still there. So we become the perfect target."

    For proof, please see Sudan, Congo, Eritrea, northern Nigeria to a lesser extent, and even South Africa….

    "We learned that we don't need the Americans anymore," said Lam Akol, Sudan's foreign minister. "We found other avenues."

    Another reason is Iraq. The ceaselessness of Baghdad's bloodshed has greatly undermined the United States' credibility, fanned anti-American feelings in Muslim regions like the Horn of Africa, and drained resources that might otherwise have been available to address other problems.


    "There is significant blowback coming from our catastrophic decisions in Iraq that is affecting our ability to do anything about Sudan or Somalia," Mr. Morrison said….
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2006, 01:57:50 PM »
  << "There is significant blowback coming from our catastrophic decisions in Iraq that is affecting our ability to do anything about Sudan or Somalia," Mr. Morrison said….>>

Lanya, Somalia is a human rights catastrophe without any oil involved.  The U.S. doesn't WANT to do anything about Somalia because - - absent the oil - - they don't give a shit.  All they are looking for is a credible reason NOT to get involved, and the Iraqi  quagmire comes in handy for that.  If all the troops were pulled out of Iraq tomorrow, there still wouldn't be a hope in hell that any of them would go to Somalia in anyone's lifetime.  Unless, of course, oil should be discovered there in huge quantities.  Somalia would suddenly develop huge, humanitarian needs for liberty and freedom which only massive bombing and invasion would be able to alleviate.

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 02:19:33 PM »
Mikey,

We were in Somalia and if i recall correctly we cut and run from there. perhaps that has more to do with credibility problems than Iraq.

Also if you notice Ethiopia is doing its own shock and awe without the niceties of the pottery barn rule. Perhaps that is an avenue to explore.


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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2006, 02:34:24 PM »


https://cia.gov/cia//publications/factbook/geos/so.html





See the little country on the North end of this map marked DJI?

Djabouti
https://cia.gov/cia//publications/factbook/geos/dj.html

I have been there , it is a strategically important port belonging to the French.

Almost every sailor in three navies has been there.

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2006, 02:45:13 PM »
My niece is here on a vacation from the Peace Corp in Senegal which is on the other side of Africa from  Somalia. It surprises even I on how much he US is hated even in this "moderate" Muslim country. They have flip-flops with the WTC under their feet to walk on. The most popular club in Dakar is named after Osama. Only the Bushidiot could have taken the goodwill of the world that we had after the 9/11 attack and fucked it up so badly.

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Re: We found other avenues.
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2006, 03:08:00 PM »
Lanya, Somalia is a human rights catastrophe without any oil involved.  The U.S. doesn't WANT to do anything about Somalia because - - absent the oil - - they don't give a shit.

Somalia might not have oil, but they have natural gas. And natural gas is worth quite a bit as well.
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