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It may be a New England reference.

Fishing camps and hunting camps were very small, very primitive, and very far off the beaten path. They were a one family thing, or owned by a small group of friends, usually men. There were larger commercial hunting and fishing camps, but we owned ours, and most of the other camps around the area were owned by single families. A lot of them had several hundred to several thousand acres.

Now camps like that would be too expensive for most of us. The old camps that are still in one piece are owned by Fortune 500 corporations, lumber companies, and so forth. Too bad. I learned more about life, as a kid, from my time there than anywhere else. You can't buy that kind of knowledge. 

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Thanks for the clarification
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  In the South a "fish camp" is a business, something like a restraunt but not open every day, usually located near a sorce of fresh fish.

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     I am reminded of the pirates reverence for the bible in "Treasure Island".


     Long John Silver is handed his death warrant, but acts shocked that the paper for his death warrant was torn from a bible.

      Soon the angry pirates have forgotten the death warrant as they get berated by Long John Silver for their act of sacrilidge.


     That was a passage of fiction written to drip with Irony.

I suppose most of the participants in Irony are unaware of it.

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I recall reading Treasure Island and the bit about the page from the Bible. In the time in which that novel was set, paper was not something that was readily available. It's not like there was a drive-thru window at Office Depot for pirate ships. Bibles were about the only paper that was readily available, and to an illiterate, the Bible was sacred. Just as the Koran is seen as sacred to some Muslims, probably more to illiterate ones than others.

The goal of the madrasa is to help students memorize the Koran. This is quite a chore if one speaks Arabic, far more if one speaks an unrelated language like Persian, Pashto or Dari. Those who manage to memorize the entire Koran are given the title "Hafez".

The Koran is somewhat easier to memorize because so much of it is seriously repetitious. (In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful) begins all but one of the 114 suras of the Koran.

Whether it is a sacrilege to write in the Koran or not is debatable. It is a sacrilege to add or remove verses from it, but so long as the writing in the margins is not an attempt to change the actual text, that is not regarded by every Muslim as sacreligious. Many Korans have the original on one side of the page and a gloss in a local language (Dari, Pashto, Berber, Persian, etc.) on the facing page.

In any event, it was stupid to dispose of these Korans by publicly burning them, and an apology was clearly the right thing to do.


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Whether it is a sacrilege to write in the Koran or not is debatable.

No, its desecration.  I've heard it from many a Muslim leader, on multiple interviews.  Its not debatable.  Global warming is debatable.  Writing in the Koran, especially when it has nothing to do with religious teaching, and is merely being used to plot ways to kill and murder more non-Islamics, is undoubtedely desecration of the Koran

Yet not a peep, about that, and that's pretty stupid


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So you think that you are an expert on Muslim desecration?

Bah!
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Hmm

I think we just hit something interesting. Publicly muslims are seemingly more devote, but are they really?

i don't ever recall any moderate muslims in the media ever. But they must exist and probly by the very nature does not register visibly in public. Only the very devote will talk islam to us .the middle of the road will be to busy picking up our lazy slack to bother talk to us. Likely not even pray that much.


Lol, I presently going out with a muslim lady whose doesn't do any of those stuff and eats pork. I'm laughing because I didn't think of her till just now. She got almost no knowledge about islam.

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So you think that you are an expert on Muslim desecration?

Never said that.  I'm not even an expert on Christian desecration, and I'm a Chriistian.  Point being, its been made abundantly clear that writing in the Koran is.  Pretty stupid for those prisoners to have done so

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Again, they were given the Korans by the NATO troops. I doubt that they were told that they must not write in them.

Muslims are given dispensations from required practices. If they are defending Islam, they can forgo daily prayers. If they are ill, they do not have to fast for Ramadan. They should wash before prayers, but if there is no water, they can use sand. Perhaps they can write in Korans if it is to defend the faith.

In any case, the behavior of the Muslims is not the issue here. The issue is whether those who got caught burning Korans should apologize, and the answer is that they should, because it was disrespect for the beliefs of others in whose country they were guests.

Guests are polite. Guests are to be treated with hospitality.

Invaders are not polite. Invaders should be shot.
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It matters NOT who gave them to the Prisoners, nor is NATO required to remind Muslims how to follow Muslim faith.  That would be the height of arrogance and would have you screeching in condemnation if they did

A) it IS considered desecration of the Koran when writing in it, period

B) It wasn't even "religious notes" that was being written.  They were plans on how to kill/escape/murder.  HARDLY any effort in trying to "defend their faith"

Beyond impolite, it was a pretty stupid effort
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  I have heard of a practice in which the scriptures are soaked in water untill the ink stains the water, then the water is drunk by a devotee to internalise the wisdom and holyness.

    Where I heard about this was supposed to be a practice of the Muslim brotherhood in Libia.

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  I have heard of a practice in which the scriptures are soaked in water untill the ink stains the water, then the water is drunk by a devotee to internalise the wisdom and holyness.

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How could that NOT make sense?

In the early 1960's, Shaeffer's Pen Co. started receiving many orders for gallon sized containers of Skrip brand Writing Fluid, otherwise known as ink from Ghana and other West African countries recently granted independence. Since there was no similar increase in the orders for pens, they sent a salesman to investigate.

It turned out that there had spring up a rumor that if children were given ink to drink, they would grow up literate.

I don't know if this rumor is actually true, or if the company decided to stop shipping Skrip to West Africa.

But it is an interesting tale.
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