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More of that "principled" leadership
« on: March 09, 2012, 04:50:00 PM »
Obama’s latest campaign promise: weapons for you IF you won’t attack until after reelection
March 8th, 2012, 1:03 pm · · posted by Mark Landsbaum

We know politics is the “art” of give and take, but the report out of Israel about President Barack Obama’s promise to that country is as blatant a political payoff as we’ve heard for a while. And it’s behind closed doors, of course.

The Dailer Caller repeats this news:

“WASHINGTON — The US offered to give Israel advanced weaponry — including bunker-busting bombs and refueling planes — in exchange for Israel’s agreement not to attack Iranian nuclear sites, Israeli newspaper Maariv reported Thursday. . . Under the proposed deal, Israel would not attack Iran until 2013, after US elections in November this year. The newspaper cited unnamed Western diplomatic and intelligence sources.”

How about that?

President Make-A-Deal has a principled objection to arming Israel with weapons to use against Iran unless the Israelis agree not to use them until after he is reelected.

Gee, why would that be a condition?

Next question: Why wasn’t this announced at a press conference at the White House instead of leaked?

Could it be the president doesn’t think it would help his reelection for people to know he is willing to help Israel bomb Iran?

How about this question: What strategic White House genius thought this would remain secret?

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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 12:39:58 AM »
It is a mistake to give the goddamned Israelis ANYTHING to launch a war with.
A war will not benefit the US.


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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 12:51:05 AM »
  Which party needs this message?

  Hasn't every Preaident since Eisenhour been Isreal friendly?

Every Congress too?

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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 02:38:17 AM »
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

As with the Keystone pipeline postponement, as with the debt-ceiling extension, as with the Afghan withdrawal schedule, Obama wants to get past Nov. 6 without any untoward action that might threaten his re-election.
   
It's Lucy and the football, Iran-style. After ostensibly tough talk about preventing Iran from going nuclear, the Obama administration acquiesced to yet another round of talks with the mullahs.
This, 14 months after the previous group-of-six negotiations collapsed in Istanbul because of blatant Iranian stalling and unseriousness. Nonetheless, the new negotiations will be both without precondition and preceded by yet more talks to decide such trivialities as venue.

These negotiations don't just gain time for a nuclear program about whose military intent the IAEA is issuing alarming warnings. They make it extremely difficult for Israel to do anything about it (while it still can), lest Israel be universally condemned for having aborted a diplomatic solution.

If the administration were serious about achievement rather than appearance, it would have warned that this was the last chance for Iran to come clean and would have demanded a short timeline. After all, President Barack Obama insisted on deadlines for the Iraq withdrawal, the Afghan surge and Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. Why leave these crucial talks open-ended when the nuclear clock is ticking?

This re-engagement comes immediately after Obama's campaign-year posturing about Iran's nukes. Sunday in front of AIPAC, he warned that "Iran's leaders should have no doubt about the resolve of the United States." This just two days after he'd said (to the Atlantic) of possible U.S. military action, "I don't bluff." Yet, Tuesday he returns to the very engagement policy that he admits had previously failed.

Won't sanctions make a difference this time, however? Sanctions are, indeed, hurting Iran economically. But when Obama's own director of national intelligence was asked by the Senate intelligence committee whether sanctions had any effect on the course of Iran's nuclear program, the answer was simple: No. None whatsoever.

Obama garnered much AIPAC applause by saying that his is not a containment policy but a prevention policy. But what has he prevented? Keeping a coalition of six together is not success. Holding talks is not success. Imposing sanctions is not success.

Success is halting and reversing the program. Yet Iran is tripling its uranium output, moving enrichment facilities deep under a mountain near Qom and impeding IAEA inspections of weaponization facilities.

So what is Obama's real objective? "We're trying to make the decision to attack as hard as possible for Israel," an administration official told the Washington Post in the most revealing White House admission since "leading from behind."

Revealing and shocking. The world's greatest exporter of terror (according to the State Department), the systematic killer of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, the self-declared enemy that invented "Death to America Day" is approaching nuclear capability – and the focus of U.S. policy is to prevent a democratic ally threatened with annihilation from pre-empting the threat?

Indeed it is. The new open-ended negotiations with Iran fit well with this strategy of tying Israel down. As does Obama's "I have Israel's back" reassurance, designed to persuade Israel and its supporters to pull back and outsource to Obama what for Israel are life-and-death decisions.

Yet 48 hours later, Obama tells a news conference that this phrase is just a historical reference to supporting such allies as Britain and Japan – contradicting the intended impression he'd given AIPAC that he was offering special protection to an ally under threat of physical annihilation.

To AIPAC he declares that "no Israeli government can tolerate a nuclear weapon in the hands of a regime that denies the Holocaust, threatens to wipe Israel off the map, and sponsors terrorist groups committed to Israel's destruction" and affirms "Israel's sovereign right to make its own decisions ... to meet its security needs."

And then he pursues policies – open-ended negotiations, deceptive promises of tough U.S. backing for Israel, boasts about the efficacy of sanctions, grave warnings about "war talk" – meant, as his own official admitted, to stop Israel from exercising precisely that sovereign right to self-protection.

Yet beyond these obvious contradictions and walk-backs lies a transcendent logic: As with the Keystone pipeline postponement, as with the debt-ceiling extension, as with the Afghan withdrawal schedule, Obama wants to get past Nov. 6 without any untoward action that might threaten his re-election.

For Israel, however, the stakes are somewhat higher: the very existence of a vibrant nation and its 6 million Jews. The asymmetry is stark. A fair-minded observer might judge that Israel's desire to not go gently into the darkness carries higher moral urgency than the political future of one man, even if he is president of the United States.

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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 02:25:59 PM »
Krauthammer=zionist propagandist. Cares more about beggar nation Israel than the US.
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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 03:34:47 PM »
Yea, let's try to shoot the messenger, and ignore the message.  Weak and totally transparent.  Boy, if there's anyone who perseverates and is an expert in propoganda, that indeed would be yourself
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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2012, 03:54:11 PM »




Krauthammer=zionist propagandist. Cares more about beggar nation Israel than the US.






Krauthammer=Got Obamas number .

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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 11:34:28 AM »
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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 12:11:46 PM »
Yea, let's try to shoot the messenger, and ignore the message. 

It's an often used tactic the Left to avoid dealing with arguments they dont like.
"Oh he's a racist" - "Oh he's a Zionist" - "Oh he's an Uncle Tom" - "oh he's rich"
Instead of dealing with the facts of a discussion, they "shoot the messenger".
It's almost like I wish we didnt have to post sources
and it would take away their ability to use the fraud lazy-ass cop-out.
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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 01:33:43 PM »
If it were true, that the US would send additional arms to Israel if Israel backed off until after the election, and if consequently Israel excepted, what would that say about the need for Israel to attack Iran? It would say that the need isn't as pressing as Israel claims it is.

The segment of the population that leans slightly, strongly, and more strongly, to the right in this country, is bone dumb and would belive anything. They did a poll in Mississippi, I think, might have been 'bama, to see whether they thought Obama was Christian or muslim. In excess of 40% said he was muslim. Bone dumb. Believe anything.

We need more immigrants so as to begin to alter the DNA in this country. There's been too much inbreading.
 

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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 01:40:47 PM »
.....and then there are those who actually think the GOP wants to deny women BC.  Gads, can you imagine the idiocy of some folks      :o
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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 02:52:42 PM »
Now why would anyone think that the GOP would like to control the reproductive lives and healthcare of women in this country?

"I think, the dangers of contraception in this country.... Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be,.." Rick Santorum


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Re: More of that "principled" leadership
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 03:09:12 PM »
Now why would anyone think that the GOP would like to control the reproductive lives and healthcare of women in this country?

Good question.  Care to demonstrate ANY Republican advocating, or even remotely hinting of legislation that would outright ban such??  Perhaps just a severe restriction??  Those that prescribe to that thought surely must have an example of that

Here's a hint, One person who doesn's support the notion of BC, based on their religious beliefs, is a far cry from the GOP wanting to ban the practice.  Not even on the same planet of reason

Here's another hint, not supporting the notion of the Fed clearly usurping the 1st amendment, and trying to mandate that religious ogranizations be made to provide BC against their doctrine, doesn't cut it either

Again, the idiocy of some who would actually think that.  Reminds me of the Elvis factor.  BC/Contraceptives are available everywhere.  It's practically raining condoms in Hollywood.  Just buy it yourself.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 03:57:01 PM »
Sirs:  "I really don't like Daylight Savings.  I don't enjoy having to wake up an hour earlier.  There's likely many others that feel the same"

BsB:  "See, there you have it... Conservatives want to ban the sun from coming up"
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