Dutch Courage

[Christians4LessGvt]

Netherlands, where six per cent of the population
is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism:

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism
that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands .

A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament
on June 16, reads:

"The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans
to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.

In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role.
With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.

The letter continues:

"A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that
from its own citizens.

It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually
no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands .

The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants
will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach
to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because,
according to Donner:

"It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants"

The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also
impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment
by the way they dress.

More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering,
Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013

Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realized, it may be too late,
that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.

READERS NOTE:

Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest
"CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."

Countries like Holland and Australia have an established way of life that actually works,
so why embrace the unworkable?

If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple:

"STAY WHERE YOU ARE! "

This gives a whole new meaning to the term: "Dutch Courage".

Unfortunately, the USA and other countries politicians don't have the
courage (YET)  to do the same.
 

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[Xavier_Onassis]

This is related to the new coalition of parties that has recently been elected in the Netherlands. The Dutch are quite tolerant of others: the Pilgrims who came to Massachusetts in 1620 had lived for several years in the Netherlands (because their religion was not tolerated in England), and they decided to come to America because their children were growing up speaking Dutch and being tolerant of other religions.

There have been several nasty murders of Dutchmen by Muslims and this is a reaction to that. I am inclined to agree with the  Dutch that it is counterproductive to encourage separate cultures. Indonesian Muslims presented few problems for the Dutch, but people from Somalia, Yemen and Arabia are more fanatical and annoying.

[Christians4LessGvt]

There have been several nasty murders of Dutchmen by Muslims and this is a reaction to that. I am inclined to agree with the  Dutch that it is counterproductive to encourage separate cultures. Indonesian Muslims presented few problems for the Dutch, but people from Somalia, Yemen and Arabia are more fanatical and annoying.

XO....hell must have froze over....we agree on something!

[Plane]

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   Quote  Reply Posted: 13 Dec 2011 at 7:45pm




 Hi Larry,  I am an eternal pessimist.  I hope you are right.  I will look forward to carrying two passes.



YB Danish...I think it's a good time to wait to do anything dramatic.  Wait until this new agreement is in place and see what effect additional bailouts and any EU internal conflict will have on the Euro's value against other currencies and EU-wide interest rates (under the new agreement).  I'm not sure if it will allow EMU members to sell their own bonds any more. 




The US is fine with a strong Euro and the US will continue to do all it can to keep the dollar low in relation to the euro.  Actually, it's probably best for the euro to fall a bit against the dollar, but Merkel doesn't see it that away (although Sarkozy does).




Interesting times....everywhere.  Good luck.
 






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   Quote  Reply Posted: 19 Dec 2011 at 10:01am







Originally posted by Y B danish

(at)Frihed - No doubt, economics has a lot to do with it.
There are errors, however, in how DK looks at the economics of immigration. They see, for example, "bidrag" only in terms of a person working to earn income that is taxed (in the immigration context); whereas, some people, such as myself, have brought money with and spent it in Denmark - contributing not only to direct employment of Danes and the taxes they pay on their earnings - but also paying inordinate amounts in MOMS which is not considered at all. It is an economic question one faces, and which I face, as well - when considering whether to invest further financially in this country - whether by borrowing and applying funds to development of a business (and thus generating income while, again, spending in DK, and possibly - depending on where one borrows money from - paying interest to Danish concerns). . . .  all very interesting though.

At the moment, without a promise of permanent residency and the security that would provide, my husband and I are very reluctant to invest further in DK. Purely economic - if we cannot be here to see our investments through, the risk to us is so great that it necessitates even greater caution and reluctance and this does not benefit DK.

But there you go.


 





I see no reason for you not to act in your own self-interest.  What other motive can there be to immigrate in one direction or another? 







I see no reason for you not to act in your own self-interest.  What other motive can there be to immigrate in one direction or another?



 






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 Of course people should act in their own interests but a elected govt in the society should act in the interests of the general society because that is what a majority has elected them to do and that could mean that if a person is up in years they may not be able to get a residence permit because the costs of that persons medical expenses on the society(taxpayer) could out weigh the money they will use in the society. It is a evalution that I am glad I do not have to do!







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   Quote  Reply Posted: 19 Dec 2011 at 1:44pm




 (at)Larry -
Your acquiescence to ageism and unequal treatment astounds me.

That aside, you have ensured that I regret ever having been honest about my age on this discussion thread. It was not my intention to create a discussion whereby I have to read your justifications of Danish ageism. If you would please "holp op" I would certainly appreciate it.
I would like to move along without having to be brought down during the holidays by reading your "I got it and you shouldn't" analysis. It is disturbing and not helpful.
The decision of course is yours.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Francois Hollande won the presidential elections in France , last Sunday.
It is a catastrophe for France .
Hollande was elected by the Muslims:



A survey (of 10,000 Muslims) shows that 93% of the Muslims voted for him. As 2 million Muslims participated in this election, Hollande got 1,720,000 Muslim votes more than Sarkozy did: (0.93-0.07) x 2,000,000 = 1,720,000. But at the end, from the entire... population, he got only 1,139,316 votes more than Sarkozy. So, without the Muslims' votes, Sarkozy would have been re-elected.

All the Muslim criminals feel now empowered. Criminality is already on the rise (1,700 cars were burnt in France for the first night). Muslims are screaming anti-French and anti-Jew watchwords in our streets. Veiled women, wearing the illegal burqa, are strolling in the streets.

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[Xavier_Onassis]

France is a democracy. Muslims voted their own political interests. Why would people who are the last hired and first fired vote for an austerity program that would prevent them from making a living?

Luckily, the National Front Party of Le Pen, the closest thing to the GOP./bagger alliance, cannot get above a pitiful 20%.