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The Video Didn’t Do It

It was bad enough, two years ago, that Defense Secretary Robert Gates called fringe Florida pastor Terry Jones to ask him not to burn copies of the Koran, or last week, that chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Martin Dempsey took his turn to call Jones to ask him to stop publicizing a YouTube video, The Innocence of Muslims. But then on Friday, White House spokesman Jay Carney told the world that the violent protests in Cairo and Ben­ghazi and elsewhere were a “response not to United States policy, and not obviously the administration or the American people,” but were “in response to a video, a film we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting.” Carney repeated the point for emphasis: “This is not a case of protests directed at the United States at large or at U.S. policy, but in response to a video that is offensive to Muslims.”

Carney’s comments lie outside the range of plausible spin, even by Obama administration standards, and if his bosses believe them—as we fear they do—are simply delusional. But they are not without consequence. Nor are Gates’s and Dempsey’s phone calls. They all send the message to America’s enemies that if you kill our diplomats and lay siege to the our embassies, the first move the American government will make is to denounce .??.??. Americans.

Our leaders apparently believe that the way to protect Americans from extremists and terrorists abroad is to tell other Americans to shut up.

What’s next? Where does it go from here? There are more than 300 million ways in which Americans expressing themselves might give offense to those who make it their business to be offended. Maybe it’s some other film, maybe it’s a book or even just a tossed-off phrase that our enemies might seize on to galvanize support for their causes. Is the White House going to put every American crank on speed-dial so it can tell them to shut up whenever a mob gathers outside a U.S. embassy or consulate?
 
It’s worth noting that virtually every description in our media of the movie that is supposed to have touched off the protests was attended by various aesthetic qualifiers—laughable, crude, amateurish—as if the mobs and their organizers were motivated by considerations of artistic craft. Let’s recall that similar murderous campaigns of terror were waged to protest Salman Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses, at the direction of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Would the editorial boards and newsrooms of our leading media debate the merits of White House officials warning prestige novelists to keep their mouths shut lest they anger extremists?

The Constitution was not written on behalf of poets and philosophers and film producers but to enshrine the rights of all citizens. Since 9/11 and our ensuing engagements in the Middle East, there have been appropriate occasions during which the American people have debated how the so-called clash of civilizations might be ameliorated. This is not one of those occasions.

To debate the right of an American to criticize religion does not indicate sophisticated sensitivity to the feelings of others but a willingness to turn tail and abandon our principles at the first sign of a fight.  And to take seriously the notion that all those riots and attacks are about a video, not about American principles and power and policy, is silly.

What we have seen unfold in the Middle East over the last week is what distinguishes the region’s societies from our own. The protests in Cairo and Benghazi were not really about the film, the preacher, or Muslim sensitivities. They were an exercise in raw power politics, partly aimed at intramural rivals in the Arab political sphere, but mainly against the United States.

If the reaction of U.S. officials in the face of such an assault is to “condemn .??.??. efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims” (the initial response of the U.S. embassy in Cairo) and to try to silence individual citizens, there is good reason for the terrorists to believe that, with more acts of terror, they will also change American policies. The unpleasant fact is that the Obama administration has encouraged our adversaries to keep at it.

President Obama believed that to maintain “credibility with the Arab states,” as he once told a group of Jewish leaders, he had to put some daylight between ourselves and Israel. His administration sought desperately to “engage” Iran and Syria, two state sponsors of terror that have been killing Americans for decades. The same Joint Chiefs chairman who told journalists in London that he doesn’t want to be “complicit” in any Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities now advises an American citizen to stop alienating Muslim mobs

A president who began his tenure by going to Cairo to say he considered it his “responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear” should not be surprised that the U.S. embassy in Cairo tweets similar apologetics while it is under siege.

It would be nice to have an American administration that stood up for America, for its people and its principles.  It would also make the world far less dangerous for Americans—and for decent people of all faiths.
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Suppose the President said. "sure, someone in out country made a video which ridiculed your childish religion. We believe that making such videos is well within the rights of every person in the USA, and people in our country might make even more.  No way we are going to apologize for this or anything else done or said by anyone in this country."

Would THAT be "standing up for America"?

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Suppose the President said. "sure, someone in out country made a video which ridiculed your childish religion.

And why the hell, would he say something like that??  Gads, is that all you can do, this close to the election, make up completely ridiculous &/or non-existant points/issues to argue against??


Would THAT be "standing up for America"?

No, under your moronic template, it would be a horrible example for the President of the U.S. to retort.    :o     Standing up for America is simple.....1st and formost, condemn those that perpetrated the violent & murderous acts.  Then you can, explain the concept of free speech, including the notion that in this country, that though we may not agree with what someone else might say, we will defend to the death their right to say it.
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Then you can, explain the concept of free speech, including the notion that in this country, that though we may not agree with what someone else might say, we will defend to the death their right to say it.

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So a clever, diplomatically proper President Romney would say to the Muslim world, "Yeah, someone in the USA made this video and had a perfect right to make it and put it on YouTube, and I will DEFEND WITH MY LIFE his right to do it?

That is what you would call "standing up for America"?

Romney is fill of crap and Obama handled this entirely as he should have done.
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Close....A President Romney would reference Free Speech, as the most important right this country posesses. and while someone might make a video that is some may consider deplorable, it is their right to make it, and its our right to not like it or or watch it, but we will defend their right to make it.  There is no right not to be offended or be pissed off

Yea, Obama handed this "just right"...............as the Middle East starts to implode under HIS foreign policy
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Mubarack was going on 81 and in ill health. Like the nasty little Shah before him, he was very unpopular. Both if them would have been thrown out if the US had not even existed. The Arab Spring is a popular movement that cannot be suppressed, any more than the Saudis could suppress the Tea Party Morons, or the Belgians could suppress Mormonism.

Romney's kvetching was dumb and self-serving. Not even other Republicans supported him.
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lol...because that has to do with anything as it relates to free speech.  But at least you hit a bit of a point, in that Obama's foreign policy is starting to really come to fruition
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Hey, lessthanchristian, I don't see anybody stoping him from praying.

Ya fuking moron.


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One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is not the same.

The Muslims in one photo were in a mosque, doing what people do in mosques.
Tim Tebow is on a football field, apparently praying in public, which is not a typical football field activity.

I really have no problem with either photo. Tim Tebow has a right to be a famous Christian exhibitionist, and Muslims have a right to take off their shoes, wash their feet, and pray with their heads on the ground and their butts in the air.

It's all fine with me. I assume that it is okay with any Supreme Being that might be in the vicinity.
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Re: It would be nice to have an American administration that stood up for America
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2012, 04:22:49 AM »
Hey, lessthanchristian, I don't see anybody stoping him from praying.

Ya fuking moron.


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Nice.....great example oh Zenlessthanmaster
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