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PREDICTION....we'll see soon
« on: September 14, 2012, 01:07:09 PM »
Some idiot liberal will try and float the idea that because of the Muzzie uproar over some stupid cartoon-like ameatur movie that we need to start limiting freedom of speech in the United States that is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

After-all Muzzie feelings trump the US Constitution.....OMG anything but piss off the Muzzies!

They will come up with something like some countries in Europe that defines it as "hate speech".

They will pretend it's to "protect all religions"....but that's bogus because it's almost always the Muzzies over-reacting...going violent to anything critical.....and whats funny is when they go violent over such stupid stuff it only proves that whats being said about them has elements of truth in it.....they are proving that they are anti-free speech....anti-opposing views....and violent haters!

any call to limit free speech to protect all religions would really be just pandering to the Muzzies who hate free speech!


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Re: PREDICTION....we'll see soon
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 01:37:35 PM »
Language professors do not hate the late Pimsleur: a few admire him, most have never heard of him. I keep seeing this dumb ad all the time.

No one can ban the publication of even crap like this stupid "movie" for which the trailer is all that exists. If the goal was to piss off Muslims, it accomplished the goal, and no laws have been broken that would not be overturned. Most religions are chock full of silly stuff that is ignored by the faithful and stressed by at least some members of competing religions, and so we have the Freedom of Religion as well as the Freedom of the Press thing protecting the creators of hateful drivel.

In the US our unwritten policy is "don't mess with my magical horseback rides and I won't mess with your virgin births, etc." It is not something that might go over well on Planet Vulcan, but it works here most of the time.

Protecting religions from even logic is a difficult chore. Religions should have to fend for themselves.  Deliberately provoking Muslims or anyone is certainly antisocial behavior that benefits no one. But it is clearly legal. It is probably entirely legal to scribble a swastika (or hammer and Sickle, Muslim crescent or Scientology symbol) on your own house or car as well. I am not sure what would happen if someone did this. I certainly would not try it to find out. I bet something about "neighborhood values" and "residential zoning" would be invoked. It would be unconstitutional, but not worth the bother.

No one hates free speech if they agree with it. Muslims and all churches hate any sort of speech which they believe goes against the truth of God or his appointees. Free speech is a recent idea in human history and originates in the "Age of Enlightenment". It, of course, has its advantages and disadvantages. Generally it is beneficial if a society honors free speech. Those who oppose it generally do so because they believe that the truth belongs to God and everyone should embrace it, and untruth comes from Satan and should be silenced, rather like throwing out rotting garbage. The difficulty is that God does not make frequent appearances in which He promotes His sacred and divine truth. It is possible that he has never done so. It is even possible that He simply isn't. Some Muslims are primitive and believe that the only way to promote Allah is to wreak violence upon those who do not believe. It has not been all that long ago that Christians did the same thing. 

Silencing "God's enemies" simply does not work. It only silences dissenters at best. Time has proven this.

Plane is right: the dialog does not match up with the lip synch in much of this film. A lot of the time you cannot see anyone's lips. The backdrop of the desert and mountains are some sort of digital image, and the actors seem to have been filmed against a green screen. When they appear to walk in the sand, they leave no footprints.

If 100 investors paid $5 million for this, they were duped. I question all the publicity about this film's creation. I would say that what is on Youtube could be produced for under $5000, even if they paid the actors.

If the Egyptian Coptic who allegedly made this is here illegally, they can and will and probably should  deport him (on grounds unrelated to the film). Otherwise, he will get away with it.

Banning this would be a violation of free speech and perhaps religious liberty. I agree that we do not need a law against making even dumb, inciteful bad videos.

We will need to beef up embassy security.


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Re: PREDICTION....we'll see soon
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2012, 03:07:00 PM »
There are several European countrys where hate speech is prosicuted. If this movie were made in France , I would expect a procicution to be attempted.

The people who abuse the first admendment are not its protectors.

You might as well call Jesse James a protector of the second admendment.

Whoever made this movie is not a good friend to most of us , he ought at least to get a very clear opprobrium from the most of us.

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2012, 05:37:09 PM »
The US insisted that Germany adopt a ban on Nazi symbols, books and writings after WWII, This seems to have been a good idea, at least, after Germany was completely separated from Allied control, they kept these bans in place. The French, who also had a Fascist government during the Petion/Vichy government, enacted similar bans.

There are still Fascist movements in both countries, but they are banned from referring to Nazi symbols and propaganda. I donlt think they are the only countries that do this, either. The Nazis sought to put a Nazi government in power in every country they occupied.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 09:41:20 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 01:30:21 AM »
Christians seems to relish a war with the Muslims on general principles.

I say he must have overdosed on parochial school or catechism or something.
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