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Pilgrims were White Supremacists??
« on: November 24, 2012, 06:23:09 PM »
No Thanks for Thanksgiving
Instead, we should atone for the genocide that was incited -- and condoned -- by the very men we idolize as our 'heroic' founding fathers.

   
One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Not only is the thought of such a change in this white-supremacist holiday impossible to imagine, but the very mention of the idea sends most Americans into apoplectic fits -- which speaks volumes about our historical hypocrisy and its relation to the contemporary politics of empire in the United States.

That the world's great powers achieved "greatness" through criminal brutality on a grand scale is not news, of course. That those same societies are reluctant to highlight this history of barbarism also is predictable.

But in the United States, this reluctance to acknowledge our original sin -- the genocide of indigenous people -- is of special importance today. It's now routine -- even among conservative commentators -- to describe the United States as an empire, so long as everyone understands we are an inherently benevolent one. Because all our history contradicts that claim, history must be twisted and tortured to serve the purposes of the powerful.

One vehicle for taming history is various patriotic holidays, with Thanksgiving at the heart of U.S. myth-building. From an early age, we Americans hear a story about the hearty Pilgrims, whose search for freedom took them from England to Massachusetts. There, aided by the friendly Wampanoag Indians, they survived in a new and harsh environment, leading to a harvest feast in 1621 following the Pilgrims first winter.

Some aspects of the conventional story are true enough. But it's also true that by 1637 Massachusetts Gov. John Winthrop was proclaiming a thanksgiving for the successful massacre of hundreds of Pequot Indian men, women and children, part of the long and bloody process of opening up additional land to the English invaders. The pattern would repeat itself across the continent until between 95 and 99 percent of American Indians had been exterminated and the rest were left to assimilate into white society or die off on reservations, out of the view of polite society.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

The first president, George Washington, in 1783 said he preferred buying Indians' land rather than driving them off it because that was like driving "wild beasts" from the forest. He compared Indians to wolves, "both being beasts of prey, tho' they differ in shape."

Thomas Jefferson -- president #3 and author of the Declaration of Independence, which refers to Indians as the "merciless Indian Savages" -- was known to romanticize Indians and their culture, but that didn't stop him in 1807 from writing to his secretary of war that in a coming conflict with certain tribes, "[W]e shall destroy all of them."

As the genocide was winding down in the early 20th century, Theodore Roosevelt (president #26) defended the expansion of whites across the continent as an inevitable process "due solely to the power of the mighty civilized races which have not lost the fighting instinct, and which by their expansion are gradually bringing peace into the red wastes where the barbarian peoples of the world hold sway."

Roosevelt also once said, "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."

How does a country deal with the fact that some of its most revered historical figures had certain moral values and political views virtually identical to Nazis? Here's how "respectable" politicians, pundits, and professors play the game: When invoking a grand and glorious aspect of our past, then history is all-important. We are told how crucial it is for people to know history, and there is much hand wringing about the younger generations' lack of knowledge about, and respect for, that history.

In the United States, we hear constantly about the deep wisdom of the founding fathers, the adventurous spirit of the early explorers, the gritty determination of those who "settled" the country -- and about how crucial it is for children to learn these things.

But when one brings into historical discussions any facts and interpretations that contest the celebratory story and make people uncomfortable -- such as the genocide of indigenous people as the foundational act in the creation of the United States -- suddenly the value of history drops precipitously and one is asked, "Why do you insist on dwelling on the past?"

This is the mark of a well-disciplined intellectual class -- one that can extol the importance of knowing history for contemporary citizenship and, at the same time, argue that we shouldn't spend too much time thinking about history.

This off-and-on engagement with history isn't of mere academic interest; as the dominant imperial power of the moment, U.S. elites have a clear stake in the contemporary propaganda value of that history. Obscuring bitter truths about historical crimes helps perpetuate the fantasy of American benevolence, which makes it easier to sell contemporary imperial adventures -- such as the invasion and occupation of Iraq -- as another benevolent action.

Any attempt to complicate this story guarantees hostility from mainstream culture. After raising the barbarism of America's much-revered founding fathers in a lecture, I was once accused of trying to "humble our proud nation" and "undermine young people's faith in our country."

Yes, of course -- that is exactly what I would hope to achieve. We should practice the virtue of humility and avoid the excessive pride that can, when combined with great power, lead to great abuses of power.

History does matter, which is why people in power put so much energy into controlling it. The United States is hardly the only society that has created such mythology. While some historians in Great Britain continue to talk about the benefits that the empire brought to India, political movements in India want to make the mythology of Hindutva into historical fact.

Abuses of history go on in the former empire and the former colony. History can be one of the many ways we create and impose hierarchy, or it can be part of a process of liberation. The truth won't set us free, but the telling of truth at least opens the possibility of freedom.

As Americans sit down on Thanksgiving Day to gorge themselves on the bounty of empire, many will worry about the expansive effects of overeating on their waistlines. We would be better to think about the constricting effects of the day's mythology on our minds.

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Re: Pilgrims were White Supremacists??
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 07:22:12 PM »
It is worse that this.

Hitler and company were inspired by American example , not only our manifest destiny , but some of our eugenic sience projects as well.

The mistake here is holding all ages to same standards .

Racism was the norm at the time and conquest was no less the way of the Aztec than the Spanish.

Slavery was not universaly accepted , but it was nearly so, many of the people who left Europe had slavery or death as an alternative.

With all this as precursor , does this vision of America as empire explain how we came to have any conflict about being an empire?

Freedom arose as a goal when only a few really had any,, all of our ancestors include either serfs , slaves or masters depending on the era when you look, for a lot of us all three.

There is no point in wallowing in guilt that did not plague the culprits of the offense, it is better by far to treat the desendants of this worse situation better , including ourselves.

By the way William Penn, James Oglethorpe , Sam Huston etc. our history does include people who were ahead of their time in fair treatment of indigionous people , even if these people are behind the modern standard.

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Re: Pilgrims were White Supremacists??
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 10:12:42 AM »
Roosevelt also once said, "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."

This statement does not seem to make a lot of sense. Did he mean to say that nine out of ten Indians are good,or that nine out of ten Indians are dead? Perhaps this is misquoted. Was TR a racist? By today's standards, yes.

On the other hand, TR was the first US president to invite a Black man to the White House, I think. Lincoln did meet with Fredrick Douglass. but I don't believe that it was in the White House. And the Black man in question that TR invited  was Booker T. Washington,who felt that only 10%  (the Talented Tenth) of  Blacks were worthy of equality. At least that was what he said. W.E.B. Dubois, who looked more a White man than a Black one, disagreed and argued that ALL Black men were worthy of equal treatment, and he was not invited. Dubois was viewed as a raving radical at the time.

Thanksgiving was only a New England regional holiday until after the Civil War. It was made a national holiday to promote national unity after the Civil War. Note that the Pilgrims were NOT the first White men: the first attempt was in 1585 in North Carolina: the settlers vanished. Then in 1607 there was Jamestown, which was a failed financial venture. Jamestown burned down twice and its people moved to nearby Williamsburg by 1699. The Pilgrims were an intolerant bunch of fanatics who did not leave England for the New World in search of tolerance. They left England and settled in Holland first,and came to America because their children were turning into overly tolerant little Dutchmen. They were headed for Virginia(a warmer clime) but stopped in Mass. because they had run out of beer. Or at least one of them claimed this as a motive. Water was not a safe thing to drink at the time.

The Pilgrims were not the Founding Fathers, they were 150 years too early for that. Nor did they believe in any sort of democracy. They simply did not like being taxed to pay for the Church of England or its king. The British monarchy has the motto Dei Gratia Rex (by grace of God, King) and they disagreed with that,just as today's Jehovah's Witnesses do not vote or salute the flag because to do so would put it before God.

Thanksgiving is a fine legend with a terrific back story of tolerance, neighborliness and ethnic cooperation. Most of it is untrue.But it is no reason not to celebrate the harvest or pig out once a year with family and friends. I am all for Thanksgiving, but I know that most of the myth is malarky.



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Re: Pilgrims were White Supremacists??
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 12:23:36 PM »
No question that there is much Malarky involved , almost nothing about the circumstances are like the tale we learned in grade school.

But the myth is nicer , it is more like what we want than reality is, circumstances of amity are indeed desireable.

There were a few examples of co-operation between early settlers and Indians , full truth mentions that this was a minority of times , but full truth does not expunge the commendable for being rare either.

So lets preserve the truth and keep the myth too.

The truth to keep us from repeating mistakes , the myth for defining goal.

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Re: Pilgrims were White Supremacists??
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 12:29:08 PM »
I can agree with that.

It is a nice holiday. I wonder how they celebrate it on the Rosebud Reservation, if at all.

Most Indian tribes were perhaps abused by the Palefaces, but not massacred. This was the case with most of those in Washington, Oregon and Alaska. There were over 500 tribes, but most Americans cannot name more than a dozen.
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Re: Pilgrims were White Supremacists??
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 12:36:20 PM »
You can name about a Dozen , if you can name the US Army Helicopters.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 01:07:46 PM »
Are there a dozen helicopters with Indian names?

Apache, Huron,Comanche, Kiowa, Chinook, Blackhawk, Lakota, Creek.

Sioux is probably too hard to spell, Arikara/Arikaree confusing
Winnebago and Cherokee taken by the RV and SUV.

Navajo call themselves Diné, Gros Ventre and Coeur d'Alene (French for fat belly and awl heart) might be rejected.
Pueblo means "town".

Would it be acceptable to call a helicopter "Crow"?

I found this in Wikipedia to be interesting:

The name of the tribe, Apsáalooke [??psa?lo?ke], meaning "children of the large-beaked bird",[1] was a name given by the Hidatsa, a neighboring Siouan tribe. The bird, perhaps now extinct, was defined as a fork-tailed bird resembling the blue jay or magpie. French interpreters translated the name as gens du corbeaux (people of [the] crows), and they became known in English as the Crow. In 1743 the Absaroka encountered their first people of European descent, the two La Vérendrye brothers from French Canada. The explorers called the Apsáalooke beaux hommes (handsome men). The Crow called the French Canadians baashchíile (persons with yellow eyes).

Would it be a good idea to name a helicopter after an Indian tribe that took its name from an extinct bird?

I am sure we won't have a helicopter named Dodo or Passenger Pigeon.

Still, there are plenty Indian names to go around.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 02:45:46 PM »


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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 03:16:21 PM »
Yes as it turns out , I guessed well.
There are more than a dozen US Army helicopter models named for Indian tribes.

R-13/H-13 Sioux – Bell
 
 H-34 Choctaw – Sikorsky
 
 H-37 Mojave – Sikorsky

 YH-41 Seneca – Cessna
 
 H-47 Chinook – Boeing Vertol
 
H-54 Tarhe – Sikorsky (a cheif  not a tribe)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CH-54_Tarhe
 H-55 Osage – Hughes
 H-56 Cheyenne – Lockheed
 
 H-58 Kiowa – Bell
 
 H-60 Black Hawk – Sikorsky SH-60 Seahawk
 HH-60 Pave Hawk
 HH-60 Jayhawk

 
 H-64 Apache – Hughes

 H-66 Comanche – Boeing/Sikorsky
 H-67 Creek – Bell


 H-72 Lakota – Eurocopter[2]


Also (not a Helicopter)-AO-1 Mohawk – Grumman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_United_States

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 03:27:19 PM »
I suppose that it makes little difference to the Army whether the Navajo call themselves the Diné or not. I am sure that the Army does not want to mess with an acute accent on the final vowel.

Years ago, there was a trucking company in the west called Navajo Van Lines. Their trucks all had a Navajo with one feather and blue eyes painted on the front of the semi trailer (which you would not see these days because Semis have a wind cheater on the top of the cab). A surprising number of Anglos, even at New Mexico State thought that Navajos could be distinguished by their blue eyes. Of course, Navajos rarely have blue eyes, it was just the idea of some logo designer who had probably never seen a blue eyed Injun.

Sometimes, you can tell Navajos by their hands. They tend to have fingers of much closer to the same length than other people. The term is "shovel fingered". Some Apaches have the same characteristic. The Navajo and Apache speak related languages.

George Catlin came upon some blue-eyed Indians among the Mandan in 1833 and thought they were descended from some Welsh king and his men who came to the New World in the 12th Century.Others thought that they were related to the Vikings, but modern Mandans do not have blue eyes and do not seem to be related.

Jayhawk is not an Indian tribe. A Jayhawk is a mythical bird of the Kansas plains that KU named their sports teams after. Jayhawks fly backward so they can see where they have been. To catch a Jayhawk, you holdup a barn door so the Jayhawk can fly into it.

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2012, 03:32:06 PM »


Jayhawk is not an Indian tribe. A Jayhawk is a mythical bird of the Kansas plains that KU named their sports teams after. Jayhawks fly backward so they can see where they have been. To catch a Jayhawk, you holdup a barn door so the Jayhawk can fly into it.

Whoops , shouldn't have included it then , though a backwards flying bird is pretty apt for a helicoptor.

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2012, 03:51:53 PM »
The Jayhawk is mythical,like the Jackalope
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