No matter what happens from now on the presidency will be weaker

[kimba1]

This means democrats can do the same for a republican president.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/10/peter-king-iran_n_6839324.html

[sirs]

That's what I've been saying all along.....the precedent that's being set, right now....all these executive legislative actions, bypassing congress's constitutional authority, sets the stage for any GOP president to do precisely the same thing.  EPA laws too rigid?...president merely orders the EPA not to enforce.  Tax laws too complex?  President merely orders the IRS not to enforce.  Too many restrictions placed on where people can carry firearms?  FBI & ATF ordered not enforce the specific ones in question

[kimba1]

the difference here is republicans has been more contrary than democrats. I don`t recall bush ever having these levels of conflict. Clinton had one openly not recognizing he`s president. lets just say technically speaking republicans definitely not supportive of America when it does not suit them exactly.
defending the constitution is onething but bypassing the president to the world?

[Christians4LessGvt]

I don't recall bush ever having these levels of conflict.

Are you kidding?
A dozen House Democrats in 2008 introduced a resolution seeking the impeachment of President Bush.

[kimba1]

impeachment is not the conflict I`m talking about . that can happen in every administration .I`m talking open defiance. from the beginning I did not care for the actions of this president but this has nothing to do with him. it`s the position that`s is being undermined to the rest of the world.

[Plane]

  Didn't Nancy Pelosi visit Bashir Al Assad when president Bush didn't want her to?

    Conflict between factions in American government is pretty common.

    Seems like I even remember the congress refusing to fund the conclusion of the Vietnam War just to spite President Nixon.

[sirs]

impeachment is not the conflict I`m talking about . that can happen in every administration .I`m talking open defiance. from the beginning I did not care for the actions of this president but this has nothing to do with him. it`s the position that`s is being undermined to the rest of the world.

Kimba....seriously, the vitriol aimed at Bush, by Democrats, was tangible.  It was frequently referred to as Bush Derangement Syndrome.  Outside of a brief window following 911, the democrats were far more open in defiance to Bush II, than anything currently Obama.  Everything from accusations of racism, to actual efforts at undermining policy he was trying to implement.  And over the decades, multiple senators have taken it upon themselves to personally travel to other countries, meet with foreign leaders, and express POV's & alternative plans, contrary to the sitting President (nearly all those times, it being a Republican President.

So, what the GOP has done regarding their letter to Iran is not unprecedented.  I'm surprised they took this upon their mantle as bucking the President's agenda, when there are far more serious domestic issues they've been rubber stamping.  Point being, the Presidency for future Presidents, indeed will be weakened.....but not because of the GOP's actions.  It's by the current Emperor & Chief's actions 

[kimba1]

then to me their all little children we should fear since their in charge. all of them

[sirs]

Power hungry children,  at that

[Christians4LessGvt]

it's the position that`s is being undermined to the rest of the world.

Flashback: Big Three Ignored Ted Kennedy's Letter to Soviet Union

By Jeffrey Meyer - March 10, 2015

On Monday, March 9 and Tuesday, March 10, the "big three" (ABC, CBS, and NBC) networks pounced on a letter signed by 47 Republican senators to the leaders of Iran regarding its negotiations with the Obama administration over its nuclear program.

Despite the networks' eagerness to tout Democratic opposition to the GOP letter, on two separate occasions the "big three" completely ignored a letter penned by former Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) written to the Soviet Union in 1983 aimed at undermining President Ronald Reagan's nuclear negotiations with the Communist regime.

According to Forbes, "in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy."   

Following Senator Kennedy's death in 2009, Forbes decided to revisit the controversial letter and once again the "big three" remained completely silent on the controversial move by Senator Ted Kennedy.

From the Forbes article detailing Kennedy's letter to Andropov:

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."

First Kennedy offered to visit Moscow. "The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA." Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. "A direct appeal to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side."

While ABC, CBS, and NBC were quick to promote Democratic opposition to a GOP letter to the Iranian leadership, the same standard was not applied when a prominent Democratic Senator openly tried to work with the Soviet Union to sabotage President Reagan's dealings with the communist regime.

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