Iran "Deal"

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is Iran's money. There are other treaties that prevent them from spending it on Hezbollah.

This appears to be the best deal they are going to get. The alternative is war. The US cannot control other countries lifting sanctions forever.

The US and the IAEA have devices and systems that can detect nuclear devices that the ratbag, Zionist-kissing right does not understand.

[sirs]

This is Iran's money.

And Capone had his money.  "Bad guys" don't get their monies back, nor should they

There are other treaties that prevent them from spending it on Hezbollah.

WORDS ON A PIECE OF PAPER MEAN NOTHING,, ESPECIALLY TO A COUNTRY RICH IN TERRORIST CONNECTIONS.   UNLESS THERE ARE SERIOUS (WHICH CAN INCLUDE MILITARY) REPERCUSSIONS, should they be found in violation, NOTHING PREVENTS THEM FROM SPENDING IT ON HEZBOLLAH.  There was a treaty that Nazi Germany signed, that "prevented them from spending on their military expansion", and we see how well that worked out. 

This appears to be the best deal they are going to get. The alternative is war.

NO, IT WASN'T THE ALTERNATIVE, but yes, it was the best deal.....Iran could have ever dreamed of

The US cannot control other countries lifting sanctions forever.

The U.S. HAD THE LEVERAGE, with the weight of the international community, and the most of the surrounding Arab nations, that are directly affected.  They could have maintained sanctions, even strengthened them until Iran was forced to comply or watch its economy implode. 

Instead, Obama blows past Congress, in that it's CONGRESS'S CONSTITUTIONAL ROLE TO RATIFY TREATIES, and punts this to the UN and the detached European nations, who can't wait to stick it to Israel.  It's "not their problem or back door" anyways, so what's it to them, if Iran goes nuclear.

The US and the IAEA have devices and systems that can detect nuclear devices that the ratbag, Zionist-kissing right does not understand.

Yea, I think its called a mushroom cloud.

[Xavier_Onassis]

You are still full of shit, I see.

Nuking Israel to return the Palestinians land to them is clearly not a workable plan.

And Iran did not steal any money. They are not thieves.

[sirs]

Who ever claimed nuking Israel would be the 1st step to returning so-called "Palestinian lands"?     

The issue here is Iran is the bad guy.  We've placed sanctions of a plethora of countries and regimes, who's monies is technically theirs.  A bad guy doesn't get to keep their monies.  Especially one who's on record as supporting terrorist activities, which in turn, KILL AMERICANS.  THEY ARE WORSE THAN MERE THIEVES

[Xavier_Onassis]

Like someone gave you the job of Supreme Judge of the Universe.

If Iran is not going to USE their nuclear weapon, then what is the point?

The fact is that the only way other than a mutual agreement is war, and attacking Iran would simply convince the many Iranians that do not see a need for a nuclear weapon that it is necessary for them to have one to prevent sanctions and more attacks. And in the long run, it makes it MORE probable that they would develop one.

It is not like they bomb Iran and it moves to a different neighborhood. It is not like the US can occupy Iran.

This is more about Netanyahu's ego than anything else.

And it needs a good whacking.

[sirs]

Like someone gave you the job of Supreme Judge of the Universe.

Dr Deflection, strikes again     

If Iran is not going to USE their nuclear weapon, then what is the point?

To destroy Israel & any Sunni led nations that might get in their way.  Palestinians are mere fodder to the intent of the folks that run Iran

The fact is that the only way other than a mutual agreement is war, and....

....and NO, ITS NOT the "only way".  When the war with Germany & Japan came to an end, it wasn't some neatly arranged "mutual agreement".  It was "this is how its going to go down".  We had the absolute economic screws to Iran, with the sanctions in place.  Even with their oil, their economy was near full Greece-like collapse.  Instead of using that leverage, to make them deal from a position of weakness, we largely gave Iran EVERYTHING they could possibly have hoped for, and in the end, they still get to aquire their nuclear arsenal.  And what did the "good guys" get?  A "promise" to be nice for 10years, and then all bets are off.  Yea, that was sure a "good deal"........for Iran

[Xavier_Onassis]

The US cannot impose sanctions alone, and after this agreement, other countries will go back to trading with Iran.
It is not possible to defeat Iran as Japan and Germany were defeated.
That is just totally absurd.

Iran is not going to destroy any nations.

[sirs]

The Sanctions that HAD BEEN IMPOSED were not U.S. alone.  We had the leverage of keeping them in place.  "Had" being the key word there, as Obama pissed that leverage away, in order to embrace his Neville Chamberlain legacy

Not to mention, Iran had been defeated as well...economically.  We absolutely could have imposed mandates on them, that they would have had to adhere to, much like Germany & Japan were made to, or face more more abusive repercussions (NO, NOT WAR, though strategic military strikes on military targets would absolutely be fair game, as well as an increase in sanctions) 

Not to mention that Iran is on record as proclaiming their intention of wanting to destroy the nation of Israel.  None of that is hardly absurd.....especially if in posession of nuclear tipped missles

[Xavier_Onassis]

So far, no one has officially agreed on anything.

You seem to think that Iran can be expected to simply accept every condition that Netanyahu and everyone opposed to Iran wants, and that is clearly not the case.

You know nothing whatever about diplomacy or the Middle East or anything else.

All you "know" is hateobama, hateobama. hateobama. It is pitiful to watch you flail helplessly about in your abysmal ignorance.

[sirs]

It has squat to do with what Neanyahu would impose, but on what the international community would impose.  Yet again, another deflection attempt

Apparently all you know is hatecheney, hatebush, hatereagan, hatebibi, hateanythingeverything republican.  It is pitiful to watch you flail helplessly about in your abysmal ignorance, in order to throw insult after insult after 3rd grade potty mouth insult, minus any assemblence of rational thought     

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is so much like the effort for Israel to hand over more of its land for a "promise of peace"

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Gaza was NEVER "Israeli land" not even in the Old Testament.  And they left it because too many Israeli soldiers were getting killed in Gaza and the Israeli public pressured them to do so.

Israel is not giving anything. It is taking more and more land and water resources every day.
Netanyahu has a majority in the Knesset only because he has made a deal with the fanatical ultra religious parties: the guys who will throw rocks at your windshield for driving on Shabbos or at your daughter for wearing a tank top.

 

[sirs]

Deft, albeit transparent attempt to change the subject.  But let's placate it......just a little.  It's always amazing how those who are so antisemitic, continue to ignore why Israel has Gaza.  The inferrence in general conversation, such as this, is that Israel simply took it, in some grasp of extending their power.....WHEN IN REALITY, they were defending themselves from enemies that had them surrounded, and not only did they manage to defend themselves, but took lands that the attackers were using, to BETTER defend themselves. 

So, until you start belly aching about the need for the U.S. to give back California to the Medican Government, and the rest of the country west of the Mississippi back to the Native Indians, you have no leg to stand on in demanding that Isreal return Gaza, or any other lands they took AS A RESULT OF WAR, IN WHICH THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO DEFEND THEIR VERY EXISTANCE

Not to mention the folks that Israel is trying to defend themselves from rountinely stone women with the mere accusation of adultery and throw homosexuals off the top of buildings

[Xavier_Onassis]

Israel withdrew from Gaza due to public pressure from the parents of drafted soldiers in the occupation force. This was not done out of compassion, it was done because the government at the time could not have held its coalition together without getting the troops out of Gaza, just as earlier they had to get out of Lebanon.

Gaza was never, ever part of Israel.  The Israelis took it by conquest after a war and decided to keep it. After all, it is Mediterranean seafront property.

Judaism is one thing, Zionism is another. It is not "anti Semitic" to oppose Zionism. Many Jews are anti Zionists. And Arabs (including Palestinians) are Semites as well.
AIPAC (American Israeli Political Action Committee) does everything it can to paste the label of Anti Semitic on anyone who opposes the Netanyahu government, which at the moment is a coalition of something like 52% of the voters.

The guy who fixes my car is an Italian Jew who was raised in Israel. I don't discuss politics with him, because there would be no reason to do so. He once owned a Mercedes wagon like mine and says he drove it for 900,000 miles. Mine has only 230,000.

With or without occupation troops, Gaza is an open air prison.No one can leave by land, sea or air without Israeli or Egyptian permission. Prisoners resent being imprisoned, and those who were born in prison and have never committed any crime tend to resent it even more. The status of Gaza has not changed since 1947. Gazans were mistreated by the Egyptians and treated even worse by the Israelis.

Gazans did not start any of the wars with Israel. Israel has fought at one time or another Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians and Iraqis, but not Gazans, who have never been armed as Gazans, though perhaps some might have fought for Egypt.