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Yankee Supremacists Trash South’s Heroes
« on: August 06, 2015, 05:04:58 PM »
Yankee Supremacists Trash South’s Heroes

Ilana Mercer
 • June 26, 2015

Fox News anchor Sean Hannity promised to provide a much-needed history of the much-maligned Confederate flag. For a moment, it seemed as though he and his guest, Mark Steyn, would deliver on the promise and lift the veil of ignorance. But no: The two showmen conducted a tactical tit-for-tat. They pinned the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia on the Southern Democrats (aka Dixiecrats). “I’m too sexy for my sheet,” sneered Steyn.
 
It fell to the woman who used to come across as the consummate Yankee supremacist to edify. The new Ann Coulter is indeed lovely:
 
Also on Fox, Ms. Coulter remarked that she was “appalled by” South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley’s call “for the removal of the Confederate battle flag from the state Capitol.” As “a student of American history,” Coulter offered that “the Confederate flag we’re [fussing] about never flew over an official Confederate building. It was a battle flag. It is to honor Robert E. Lee. And anyone who knows the first thing about military history knows that there is no greater army that ever took to the battle field than the Confederate Army.”
 
And anyone who knows the first thing about human valor knows that there was no man more valorous and courageous than Robert E. Lee, whose “two uncles signed the Declaration of Independence and [whose] father was a notable cavalry officer in the War for Independence.”
 
The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia—known as “Lee’s Army”—is not to be conflated with the “Stars and Bars,” which “became the official national flag of the Confederacy.” According to Sons of the South, the “first official use of the ‘Stars and Bars’ was at the inauguration of Jefferson Davis on March 4, 1861.” But because it resembled the “Stars and Stripes” flown by the Union, the “Stars and Bars” proved a liability during the Battle of Bull Run.
 

The confusion caused by the similarity in the flags was of great concern to Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard. He suggested that the Confederate national flag be changed to something completely different, to avoid confusion in battle in the future. This idea was rejected by the Confederate government. Beauregard then suggested that there should be two flags. One, the national flag, and the second one a battle flag, with the battle flag being completely different from the United States flag.
 
Originally, the flag whose history is being trampled today was a red square, not a rectangle. Atop it was the blue Southern Cross. In the cross were—still are—13 stars representing the 13 states in the Confederacy.
 
Wars are generally a rich man’s affair and a poor man’s fight. Yankees are fond of citing Confederacy officials in support of slavery and a war for slavery. Most Southerners, however, were not slaveholders. All Southerners were sovereigntists, fighting a “War for Southern Independence.” They rejected central coercion. Southerners believed a union that was entered voluntarily could be exited in the same way. As even establishment historian Paul Johnson concedes, “The South was protesting not only against the North’s interference in its ‘peculiar institution’ but against the growth of government generally.”
 
Lincoln grew government, markedly, in size and in predatory boldness.
 
“Slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil,” wrote the South’s greatest hero, Gen. Lee. He did not go to war for that repugnant institution. To this American hero, local was truly beautiful. “In 1861 he was offered command of all the armies of the United States, the height of a soldier’s ambition,” chronicles Clyde Wilson, distinguished professor emeritus of history at the University of South Carolina. “But the path of honor commanded him to choose to defend his own people from invasion rather than do the bidding of the politicians who controlled the federal machinery in Washington.”
 
To his sister, Lee wrote: “With all my devotion to the Union, and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home.” Lee, you see, was first and foremost a Virginian, the state that gave America its greatest presidents and the Constitution itself.
 
Lord Acton, the British historian of liberty, wrote to Lee in praise. The general, surmised Lord Acton, was fighting to preserve “the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will”: states’ rights and secession.
 
Lee’s inspired reply to Lord Acton:
 
“… I believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people … are the safeguard to the continuance of a free government … whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.”
 
Another extraordinary Southerner was James Johnston Pettigrew. He gave his life for Southern independence, not for slavery. Quoting Pettigrew, professor Wilson likens the forbearance of his own Confederate forebears to “the small Greek city-states who stood against the mighty Persian Empire in the 5th century B.C.”
 
Not quite Leonidas’ 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, but close.
 
“The U.S. government had quadruple the South’s resources.” Yet “it took 22 million Northerners four years of the bloodiest warfare in American history to conquer five million Southerners,” who “mobilized 90 percent of their men and lost nearly a fourth.”
 
When they hoist the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, it is these soldiers Southerners honor.
 
Unable to defeat the South, the U.S. government resorted to terrorism—to an unprecedented war against Southern women and children.
 
With their battle flag, Southerners commemorate these innocents.

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Re: Yankee Supremacists Trash South’s Heroes
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2015, 05:25:42 PM »
I don't think that anyone questions Robert E Lee's valor. Of course, he stayed rather a goodly distance away from the battle lines, as generals normally do. There were surely Southerners as well as Northerners who were more often in the line of fire than General Lee. His stating that slavery was repugnant is a bit dubious, since he inherited many slaves when his father in law died.  Wikipedia gives a rundown of the controversy surrounding Lee's slaves. Lee did allow slaves captures by his troops to be returned to slavery.

Lee was an excellent military tactician, and that was far more important then his valor. Adolf Hitler was right up on the front lines in WWI and sufficiently valorous to be awarded the Iron Cross. And, Jeez, Lee was not a worthy man because of what his uncles did. No one is.

What really deserves trashing was the slavery at the base of Southern society. That IS what the Civil War was all about. And Ann Coulter is a world class jerk who has made a living saying stupid shit that her followers lack the vocabulary to spew as elegantly as she.

The South lost the Civil War because it bloody well deserved to lose it. The Southern Plantation aristocracy was rotten to the core, and I say that as a man whose fifth great grandfather actually owned a plantation called Long Cane in the State of Georgia.

It is just fine with me if lovers of the Confederacy wear the Stars and Bars or the Battle Flag or whatever, but it does not deserve to be displayed with public money on public property.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2015, 06:14:08 PM »
It is just fine with me if lovers of the Confederacy wear the Stars and Bars or the Battle Flag or whatever, but it does not deserve to be displayed with public money on public property.

what if citizens of a state want to display the Confederate Flag on public property in their own state?

do you think...XO in Florida should be able to dictate to the citizens of South Carolina
what flags can be displayed on their state property?

to me the confederate flag means a great big F-YOU to Washington
and that's why I like it and will display it at the ranch.

personally i do not associate the confederate flag with race, but I can understand why some people might,
but somebody is going to be offended no matter what...plenty may be offended by the "N" word in hip hop,
but we shouldn't ban it


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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2015, 06:25:05 PM »
Planned Parenthood is a worthy organization, the Confederacy was not, and is not. At some point you may become mildly intelligent and realize that you are against abortions because you hate women and consider them, unlike you, too dumb to make their own decisions. Never mind that 88% of all inmates are men: women are clearly more immoral.

Saying that the Confederate flag does not represent racism to you is like saying that the Swastiska does not represent Fascism and the Holocaust.
I am sure that the Nazi Swastika also can be used to give a big F You to the Federal government as well. Probably a bigger one than the Confederate Flag.

But the best of all would be a large, red, swastika neck tattoo.  It would let the entire world know how deeply antisocial you are. No one would mistake you for a lackey of Washington ever, ever again.

If you want to be more of a sissy, you could have a Confederate Flag Neck Tatoo or perhaps have The Donald tattooed there as well.

I do not need to dictate to the government of South Carolina to tear down that nasty racist flag: the elected governor of that state has already done it. I am not required to make that call.  Those eight innocent Bible students may not have accomplished all that much for the cause of equality, but they did get that stupid flag of public property once and for all. I am pretty sure that they would feel fine with that.
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Re: Yankee Supremacists Trash South’s Heroes
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2015, 06:36:57 PM »
Long before Hitler and the Nazi Party used the swastika as their symbol, it was [and is] a symbol used in Hindi culture and by several Native Amercan tribes in the American southwest. But I don't expect that to make one whit of difference to you. Rant on.
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2015, 09:22:01 PM »
The Yearbook at my alma mater, New Mexico State was called The Swastika.  It symbolizes the four winds to the local tribes. But it faced the other way.
I think the same is true of the Hindu swastika. It was originally a symbol of the Aryan culture. Sanscrit, the language of ancient India is the parent language of most of the languages of Europe. All but Hungarian, Estonian, Finnish and Basque are Indo European languages. The modern (and ancient) name of Persia, Iran, comes from the word Aryan.

The Nazi swastika faces to the right, the direction in which German and other European languages are read. Right is the direction that the eyes follwo the print across the page.
Arabic and Hebrew and some other are read right to left.

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2015, 09:53:22 PM »
Planned Parenthood is a worthy organization.....

Planned Parenthood is a disgraceful organization that has killed millions of African American unborn babies.

At some point you may become mildly intelligent and realize that you are against abortions because you hate women

You're ok with killing millions of innocent female un-borns, I want female unborns
protected and the right to life.....but I'm the one that "hates women"...LOL...yeah sure.

Saying that the Confederate flag does not represent racism to you is like saying that the Swastiska does not represent Fascism and the Holocaust.

That is not reality.
Abraham Lincoln wrote:"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it".
So clearly the Civil War was about a lot more than slavery.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2015, 11:06:11 PM »
Those eight innocent Bible students may not have accomplished all that much for the cause of equality, but they did get that stupid flag of public property once and for all. I am pretty sure that they would feel fine with that.


    That is a very high price for a picayune irritation to that other side.

     Would you let yourself be killed for the sake of driving a wedge deeper in between people who really have a lot in common?

     There is a single racist who committed these murders because he thought division was a good thing, I am not so eager to give him his wishes.

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2015, 11:21:42 PM »
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I like the term Yankee Supremacist seems very apt.

. The general, surmised Lord Acton, was fighting to preserve “the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will”: states’ rights and secession.
 
Lee’s inspired reply to Lord Acton:
 
“… I believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people …

   This brings up the English connection.
    There was a lot of sympathy for the south in England , there was a lot of potential for England to benefit from a southern victory , there was a lot of war materiel and cash that the South would have found useful and there were ships that could have made a major difference to the blockade.

     But ... England was glad and proud of what it was doing to close the slave trade . When the emancipation proclamation was announced it was the end of all potential for alliance between the Confederacy and Great Britain.

      English attitudes were one of the reasons that slavery was important to the civil war.

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2015, 05:16:13 PM »
The English were divided over the US Civil War: some wanted the war to end, so they could continue to import cotton for their mills, others had invested in growing cotton and tobacco in Egypt, India and elsewhere in the Empire and did not want competition.  The English were mostly opposed to slavery, and many favored the North for that reason. Others wanted to sell boats and munitions to the South, and rooted for the South.

Her Majesty Queen Victoria refused to recognize the Confederacy or speak to any official ambassadors.
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