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Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« on: April 16, 2007, 01:37:58 PM »
http://boaltalk.blogspot.com/2007/04/hot-for-teacher.html

Barack Obama was on Letterman the other night (video: Part 1 and Part 2). For some unexplained reason, the Republican National Committee used this as an opportunity to launch an early attack on Obama. For additional unexplained reasons, they put the attack in the form of a Top 10 List entitled “Obama’s Top 10 Fabrications.” The list is here. A couple of my favorites from the list: (8) Obama was fluent in Indonesian as a child; (2) Obama had heated discussions with a high school friend named “Ray” about racial issues; (1) Seeing a photograph in Life or Ebony Magazine changed Obama’s life.

I have no idea if any of those are in fact fabricated, and I don’t particularly care much, but I thought one item was especially relevant. The number 10 “fabrication” states: “Obama was a constitutional law professor.” Obama has said that he was a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago, but according to the Top 10 List this is a fabrication because Obama was actually a “Senior Lecturer in Law.” The U. Chicago Law School website confirms this.


So, was this really a fabrication? Was Obama wrong to claim that he was a law professor? In actual fact he was not a Professor of Law, in the technical sense of the term. He was not tenured or a full-time faculty member, as during the time he taught his primary job was either with a plaintiff’s law firm or as an Illinois State Senator.

Despite this, I have no problem with Obama calling himself a law professor. First, we refer to nearly anyone who teaches law as Professor, regardless of whether that person is tenured or a practitioner. Perhaps this is just colloquial speech, or perhaps it is just polite, but I doubt that many of us mind if the many practitioners teaching at Boalt call themselves Professors. It would be quite disrespectful, in fact, if we insisted on sharp distinctions between “Professors,” “Lecturers,” and “Practitioners.” Second, Obama taught constitutional law for around a decade. If Obama had only delivered a few lectures his use of “law professor” would be questionable. But he taught Constitutional Law, a core law school class, for many years. I should think that a decade of Con Law entitles one to be called “Professor.” Third, Obama did not directly claim the title of “Professor.” The Top 10 list quotes him as saying “I was a constitutional law professor” (emphasis added). That is true, in the sense that one of his students at the time would have said, “My Con Law professor is Obama.” Were Obama attempting to delude people into thinking he was a full-fledged Professor of Law, he would have used the present tense. Using the past tense implies that he was the Professor for particular Con Law classes, not that Professor was his occupation and official title.

Although this is a minor issue, Obama’s campaign seems somewhat cognizant of it, as his website mentions his teaching only once, and is careful to say only that “he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer and teach constitutional law.” The word “Professor” is not mentioned. In the end, this is a rather silly thing for Republicans to attack. If this is really the best they can do, and if they truly feel the need to lash out this early, it is likely a very good sign for the Obama campaign.

One more thing: I’m in no way belittling the hard-work of Professors of Law who dedicate their entire lives to teaching. I understand being full-time staff is different than part-time, but it still doesn’t change my opinion about Obama saying he was a law professor.

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2007, 02:33:01 PM »
If he wasn't a professor he shouldn't claim he was.

His misrepresenting the facts is one problem.

The RNC pointing it out is a different subject alltogether.


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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 02:39:17 PM »
He didn't say he *is* a law professor. He said he *was* a law professor.

Since he *was* a law professor-for around a decade at that-I fail to understand RNC's motivations.

Maybe its fear of having someone who dedicated his legal expertise to constitutional law as President.  :D

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 02:43:13 PM »
Didn't you say he wasn't a professor, he was a lecturer?

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 02:45:34 PM »
So, was this really a fabrication? Was Obama wrong to claim that he was a law professor? In actual fact he was not a Professor of Law, in the technical sense of the term. He was not tenured or a full-time faculty member, as during the time he taught his primary job was either with a plaintiff’s law firm or as an Illinois State Senator.

from the article

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 02:49:48 PM »
It would be quite disrespectful, in fact, if we insisted on sharp distinctions between “Professors,” “Lecturers,” and “Practitioners.”

Also from the article. I know visiting attorneys engaged in teaching, whether fully active as professors only or not, at SMU are generally called professors by the students. Seems to be the standard.

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 02:57:10 PM »
But the fact remains he wasn't a professor, technically or otherwise. So he shouldn't claim he was.

Whether you or the author or the RNC think that transgression is or is not a big deal is irrevelant to the FACTS of the case.




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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2007, 04:44:13 PM »
As the only one qualified to speak on this matter of the present crop of contributors, having been a "criminal law professor" for a day to lecture on Brady v. Maryland and all its attendant problems in the absence of the "regular professor," my superior in the New Jersey Attorney General's Office many years ago, I vote -- no, intone -- this to be deader-than-a-doornail non-issue. Class dismissed.

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 04:47:30 PM »
Thanks for the feedback Domer.

What makes you think you are the only one in here who has spoken to a college level class before?

Fact is Obama padded his resume. Not a good way to establish trust with potential employers.


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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 04:49:48 PM »
Criminal law is your area of expertise?
Interesting.
On deciding which path to take for graduate school, I am considering law as I find criminal appeals-particularly in Texas-highly fascinating.

I enjoy watching the RNC's reactions to the threat of Obama. What one perceives as a threat is telling, indeed!

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 04:54:30 PM »
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I enjoy watching the RNC's reactions to the threat of Obama. What one perceives as a threat is telling, indeed!

And i guess those on the right are enjoying watching Obama defenders spinning that the truth is not important.

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Re: Republican Idiocy v. Obama
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 05:33:14 PM »
This seems like a very small potatoes issue , at worst this is a mild sort of exaggeration.

What does it say though about the energy spent digging for dirt?