Some Iraqi refugees turn to prostitution

[gipper]

Butt out, BT, with your paatronizing horseshit. This mother fucker called me a racist! No reprimaand for your butt-buddy?

[BT]

No reprimaand for your butt-buddy?

Is that some kind of homophobic retort?

[gipper]

I don't see where "phobic" comes into it; rather, it clearly states a closeness which yields special favors.

[sirs]

I don't see where "phobic" comes into it; rather, it clearly states a closeness which yields special favors.

Gipper, perhaps you simply haven't been here long enough.  Bt made lean right in his commentaries, but is pretty darn equal at dishing out appropriate reprimands, left, middle, and right. 

Plane referencing how observing when one concludes that a culture/race are unable to understand concepts such as democracy like other cultures can, is arguably racist.  Now, you can take maximum offense to it, but Plane was in no way just calling you names for the hell of it.......like, oh, calling someone a moron. 

And you may actually be right that certain races are just too primitave to deal with the higher learning education & comprehension of democracy & freedom.  It's still a racist mindset to think that way, even if you're right

[BT]

Sirs

Gipper has been around forever.

Writing styles are as distinctive as dna.

[gipper]

Racist, you fool? It was a metaphor. Iraqis were cast as creatures of God's crowning glory, objectively viewed, in the animal kingdom. The intervention of the US, my trope continues, resulted in their being wrenched from their habitat (by analogy, their familiar cultural patterns) and thrust (not nurtured) to a (watery) end in a process, all things considered, that was too swift for the folks involved and their culture. This saays nothing about the Iraqis "ability" to adopt (adapt to) democracy, but it says everything about the arrogant, ignorant and incompetent way we have managed the process so far, with the history of the discord and the failure to govern being Exhibit A as to the validity of the proposition I am putting forth.

[sirs]

Sirs  Gipper has been around forever.  Writing styles are as distinctive as dna.

Then what's his fuss?  You'd think he'd know better then

[Plane]

My metaphor stands proudly as first stated. For your meager abilities, however, it might be better to put it in the form of a political cartoon, though no doubt that too would go zipping by your literalist head.

It is your metaphor as it was stated that accuses you of considering one race much more capable than another.

Or if you prefer ,it accuses you of considering one culture to be more developed than another.

Is being so judgemental of culture superior in some way to haveing a simularly  condesending attitude twards a race?

[Plane]

Racist, you fool? It was a metaphor. Iraqis were cast as creatures of God's crowning glory, objectively viewed, in the animal kingdom. The intervention of the US, my trope continues, resulted in their being wrenched from their habitat (by analogy, their familiar cultural patterns) and thrust (not nurtured) to a (watery) end in a process, all things considered, that was too swift for the folks involved and their culture. This says nothing about the Iraqis "ability" to adopt (adapt to) democracy, but it says everything about the arrogant, ignorant and incompetent way we have managed the process so far, with the history of the discord and the failure to govern being Exhibit A as to the validity of the proposition I am putting forth.

Whew , you are indeed taking this very personally .

Please do not , I bear you no ill will .

I will be a lot more comfortable with continuing this argument if you are able to objectify the argument .


May we? I can cease to use the term "racist" , if that helps.


First of all, Tigers are strong swimmers .


Secondly Iraqis are educateable, no less than you and I .


Thirdly no one has a heritage ingrained in himself from any time earlier than his own conception.


Fourthly democracy is compatable with Iraqi culture , for the simple reason that a government democratically produced by Iraqis will necessarily cope itself to the culture of Iraq , else it will loose election to a government better coped to the people who elect it.

Fifthly the process chosen by President Bush and his administration could not have been in any respect more nurturing and patient , contrasted with Douglas MacArthur's assigning the Japanese Constitution to his staff to get written on deadline , considering how well MacArthur's constitution was an instant and continuing success it might be argued that the Bush approach was insufficiently arrogant and condescending .

[sirs]

Well summized Plane, especially on point 5     

[gipper]

Your quarrel with what I said (and me) was not based on the lack of intelligence, power and insight I provided, but with your disagreement with the critical glare it placed on the US role in this ongoing affair. That's tough. The original statement of the trope, and the recent elaboration, are all that need to be said on the matter.

[Plane]

Your quarrel with what I said (and me) was not based on the lack of intelligence, power and insight I provided, but with your disagreement with the critical glare it placed on the US role in this ongoing affair. That's tough. The original statement of the trope, and the recent elaboration, are all that need to be said on the matter.

Let me clear up a misunderstanding .

I can  perceive that you are intelligent , your command of English is also evident and so I cannot complain that you are unintelligent , arcane or garbled .

I just think your opinions are wrong .

[gipper]

Precisely, and in the way I sketched: not rational or objective but reflexive and dogmatic.