Abortion patients

[kimba1]

hey
I only came to this conclusion only by noticing in every talk I never once recall any positive reference to birth control
and I ran with it from them on
actually you guys are pretty much thee only people I`ve heard not comp[letely against birth control
but I will give credit to the prolifers
through out the years this organization is so structured that it actually keeps track if it`s past activities to insure maximun impact.
one time they protested the wrong house and harrassed that family to no end.
but they did it all within the law so none can be prosecuted.
I don`t even recall if they ever apoligized.

[sirs]

You clearly did not understand the point. It is not about individual choices.

YES, IT IS.  That was my whole reference to responsibility, and accepting the responsibility of one's decision making.  The problem has nothing to do with churches, or "the poor".  And the effort to mitigate responsibility since in your opinion we apparently no longer have any because the "church has accepted birth control", is a complete cop-out. 

This has to do with the fundamental relationship between men and women. With the full acceptance of birth control, by those such as yourself and the Protestant churches, the philosophical relationship between men and women changed. Procreation was no longer an important part of having a physical relationship.

Which has very little to do with the tea in China, but goes a long way in the effort to give a pass to immoral and blatantly irresponsible behavior

So you accept birth control, but then turn around and give people some rhetoric about making the economically correct choice? I'm going to guess that you were young and in love once Sirs, would you have listened to such an ivory tower argument?

I'm not sure if we're just having 2 completely different discussions, or what.  I'm sticking with the one that's related to those who foolishly, irresponsibly, and/or immorally, bring a child into this world, and expect Government (we tax payers) to foot the bill for those actions, in trying to take care of it themselves, or use abortion as an effort to perform birth control, vs simply applying a little individual responsibility and/or self control

No one's telling anyone they can't do what they want, when they want, or with who they want.  Everyone is free to make their own decisions.  Just don't expect open arms of compassion, and worse, corercion by way of legal intervention, to support & embrace bad decisions, and their repercussions, such as bringing children into this world, when one is not prepared to do so

This paragraph has nothing to do with anything.  The point is this. Supporting birth control and then decrying abortion, is akin to Brigham Young giving a lecture on monogamy.

Not even close.  Supporting birth control, but decrying the murdering of an unborn child is akin to watching something on the History channel, while lecturing on the absurdity of watching Jerry Springer

[_JS]

OK. I mangled this one pretty bad. I apologise.

I had two arguments that should be separated.

Let me focus on one here and I'll start a different thread for the other.

[_JS]

I'm not sure if we're just having 2 completely different discussions, or what.  I'm sticking with the one that's related to those who foolishly, irresponsibly, and/or immorally, bring a child into this world, and expect Government (we tax payers) to foot the bill for those actions, in trying to take care of it themselves, or use abortion as an effort to perform birth control, vs simply applying a little individual responsibility and/or self control

I think this is the one that belongs here.

The problem with your argument Sirs, is that the United States has no welfare system where "taxpayers foot the bill for those actions." We haven't had anything resembling that in years. Your argument does not follow the facts. Once we removed AFDC and replaced it with TANF, the premise that there were all these single mothers having children to receive extra benefits (which debatably ever happened under AFDC) went out the window. Now we make mom go to work in at most twenty-four months.

This was all part of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996, better known as the Welfare Reform Act or Welfare to Work Act, hailed by both Republicans and President Clinton and his New Democracts as a major success.

One interesting point about it:

Written into the law as one of the four primary goals was

prevent and reduce the incidence of out-of-wedlock pregnancies

Interestingly it has done nothing to decrease this as the out of wedlock births continue to rise.

[kimba1]

don`t forget marriage require effort to do
so unwed pregnancies are a growing desireable option
until we get happy married couples as a popular trend this will happen.
people want kids but don`t want to be stuck with somebody that they yell at all the time.
before I got married people thought I was already married because we argue all the time.
we talk how important marraige ,but we devote very little energy to make it manageable.
that statement til death due us apart is hardly different from -your stuck with me .