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Lanya

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Do away with Congress, and elections, why not?
« on: July 20, 2007, 05:50:16 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902625.html?hpid=topnews

Broader Privilege Claimed In Firings
White House Says Hill Can't Pursue Contempt Cases

By Dan Eggen and Amy Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, July 20, 2007; A01

Bush administration officials unveiled a bold new assertion of executive authority yesterday in the dispute over the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, saying that the Justice Department will never be allowed to pursue contempt charges initiated by Congress against White House officials once the president has invoked executive privilege.

The position presents serious legal and political obstacles for congressional Democrats, who have begun laying the groundwork for contempt proceedings against current and former White House officials in order to pry loose information about the dismissals.

Under federal law, a statutory contempt citation by the House or Senate must be submitted to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, "whose duty it shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury for its action."

But administration officials argued yesterday that Congress has no power to force a U.S. attorney to pursue contempt charges in cases, such as the prosecutor firings, in which the president has declared that testimony or documents are protected from release by executive privilege. Officials pointed to a Justice Department legal opinion during the Reagan administration, which made the same argument in a case that was never resolved by the courts.

"A U.S. attorney would not be permitted to bring contempt charges or convene a grand jury in an executive privilege case," said a senior official, who said his remarks reflect a consensus within the administration. "And a U.S. attorney wouldn't be permitted to argue against the reasoned legal opinion that the Justice Department provided. No one should expect that to happen."

The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly, added: "It has long been understood that, in circumstances like these, the constitutional prerogatives of the president would make it a futile and purely political act for Congress to refer contempt citations to U.S. attorneys."

Mark J. Rozell, a professor of public policy at George Mason University who has written a book on executive-privilege issues, called the administration's stance "astonishing."

"That's a breathtakingly broad view of the president's role in this system of separation of powers," Rozell said. "What this statement is saying is the president's claim of executive privilege trumps all."

The administration's statement is a dramatic attempt to seize the upper hand in an escalating constitutional battle with Congress, which has been trying for months, without success, to compel White House officials to testify and to turn over documents about their roles in the prosecutor firings last year. The Justice Department and White House in recent weeks have been discussing when and how to disclose the stance, and the official said he decided yesterday that it was time to highlight it.

Yesterday, a House Judiciary subcommittee voted to lay the groundwork for contempt proceedings against White House chief of staff Joshua B. Bolten, following a similar decision last week against former White House counsel Harriet E. Miers.

The administration has not directly informed Congress of its view. A spokeswoman for Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), the Judiciary Committee's chairman, declined to comment . But other leading Democrats attacked the argument.

Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) called it "an outrageous abuse of executive privilege" and said: "The White House must stop stonewalling and start being accountable to Congress and the American people. No one, including the president, is above the law."

Sen. Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) said the administration is "hastening a constitutional crisis," and Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) said the position "makes a mockery of the ideal that no one is above the law."

Waxman added: "I suppose the next step would be just disbanding the Justice Department."
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Re: Do away with Congress, and elections, why not?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2007, 10:05:17 AM »
When there is a Democrat president , will this person accept that he (she) cannot fire or hire U.S. attorneys?

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 01:33:40 PM »
Good ole precedent. :-)
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Re: Do away with Congress, and elections, why not?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 01:54:44 PM »
<<When there is a Democrat president , will this person accept that he (she) cannot fire or hire U.S. attorneys?>>

I would like to think that any future president would give up the use of unbridled power.

But I am not so sure.  So, be careful what you think is so good about this prez having all this power.  The next president will likely have it, too.
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Re: Do away with Congress, and elections, why not?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2007, 02:00:39 PM »
What unbridled power?

The courts can rule against this EO.

Congress can legislate against it.




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Re: Do away with Congress, and elections, why not?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2007, 02:03:49 PM »
What unbridled power?  The courts can rule against this EO.  Congress can legislate against it.

Haven't you heard Bt?  Bush is pure evil.  With a blink of his eye he can destroy us all       ;)     
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Re: Do away with Congress, and elections, why not?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2007, 02:13:53 PM »
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Haven't you heard Bt?  Bush is pure evil.  With a blink of his eye he can destroy us all   

I think ignorance of how the system is designed to work is a greater danger to this country than anything Bush could do.


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Re: Do away with Congress, and elections, why not?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2007, 02:16:07 PM »
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Haven't you heard Bt?  Bush is pure evil.  With a blink of his eye he can destroy us all   

I think ignorance of how the system is designed to work is a greater danger to this country than anything Bush could do.

AGREED.  You'd get the impression from some around here that Bush was acting as some dictator     :-\
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2007, 02:16:26 PM »
This entire US Attorneys issue is really a waste of time. As BT has mentioned before, they serve at the pleasure of the President and so can be dismissed, without cause, anytime, regardless who is in office, for whatever reason is stated.
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