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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2007, 09:38:24 PM »
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For example, if a student reads about Wounded Knee and feels compelled to help those Native Americans in the poor counties of South Dakota, is there something wrong with that? Even if it is motivated by what you call, "guilt?"

What others do is up to them.

I don't have a problem with awareness.

I do have a problem with the demand for an emotional response.

Take your student. Are they compelled to act because of an emotional response, or are they compelled to act because they can provide a solution.

Is the recepient of the action the student or the tribe?


Considering the source, you want be careful about answering that question. His idea of "help" usually winds up involving somebody else's wallet. The smart money says this translates to "Is there something wrong with picking your pocket?".

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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2007, 10:11:24 PM »
Perhaps it was not intentional some of the time, perhaps most of the time.

There were many instances of genocide against the Indians, such as Schimmerhorn's massacre of the Arapahoes, and Custer's wiping out of a large number of Cheyenne.

The facts are these: go to Mexico, Peru, Colombia, pretty much any nation in South and Central America, and the Indian element in the population is obvious.

This is not true in the US, or Argentina or Uruguay, because Indians in those countries were mostly exterminated, some by disease, some by plan.

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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2007, 10:12:46 PM »
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Both.

It's a win/win for everyone.

Not according to the census data JS referred to.

By what measurement is it a win for the Indian tribe?
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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2007, 10:40:54 PM »
There is a tiny bit of poetic justice in that some Indians now can kill the palefaces very slowly by selling them tobacco, and destitute them with their slot machines.

The Indians who drank themselves to death on firewater had a similar free option to not drink, just as the palefaces can choose not to gamble or smoke.
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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2007, 11:50:24 PM »
>>There were many instances of genocide against the Indians ... <<

"Many" instances of genocide doesn't make sense. It was never the policy of the United States government to committ genocide upon the natives. so at the most, there were isolated instances of massacres carried out by individual commanders in the field.

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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2007, 08:57:51 PM »
>>There were many instances of genocide against the Indians ... <<

"Many" instances of genocide doesn't make sense. It was never the policy of the United States government to committ genocide upon the natives. so at the most, there were isolated instances of massacres carried out by individual commanders in the field.

Uh huh, yeah.

It was never the policy of the United States government to hang black people in the south but it was widespread.

No matter how it happened, 70% of the indigenous peoples died over the years due to the invasion of North America by Europeans.  End.

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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2007, 09:10:52 PM »
The biggest problem on nearly every Res in the country is booze. Alcoholism is far and away the cause of Indians dying sooner, not being educated, not being employed.

It is especially bad among the Plains tribes, like the Lakota and the Cheyenne.

A similar problem exists in Mexico. I used to live near the Avenida Observatorio in Mexico City, which had a lot of pulque bars. Pulque is the native alcoholic drink of the Central Valley area. On Mondays, it was impossible to walk on the sidewalks because they were filled with locals (who are genetically mostly Indian) men sleeping it off.
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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2007, 09:16:13 PM »
I hear they can`t even work in some of the casinoes that they supposedly sponser also

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Re: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2007, 12:24:21 AM »
http://www.historytools.org/sources/Jefferson-Indians.pdf

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffwest.html



Perhaps the best modern situation simular to the Indian Wars would be ethnic cleansing , the last stop on the road before geonocide.

There was never an hunred perent agreemant on what to do about or with Indians , the factions of American politics  fought over every decision sometimes to Indian dvantage and more often to their detriment.

Doesn't this illistrate the problem of being subject to a government that you are not a participant in?  No one in Congress really needed to please Indians.