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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2008, 11:45:40 AM »
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I don't think that it is very wise to compare the stats across to the US Army. Whether one thinks Army suicides are immaterial, which seems to be the case here, the Army does not. Unit Commanders are instructed to leave possible suicide risks at home and not risk deployment with anyone who they believe might show possible suicide factors.

Apparently the army does a better job of screening at risk soldiers than the Welsh government.

Different environment. The Army runs the life of their soldiers (to a greater or lesser extent depending on circumstances). The Welsh are free to act and do as they please regardless of the Government. More to the point, there really isn't a "Welsh Government." The Welsh Assembly is very weak compared to the Scottish Assembly. They are very much tied to England and the UK Parliament.
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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2008, 11:53:57 AM »

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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2008, 04:54:32 PM »
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Different environment. The Army runs the life of their soldiers (to a greater or lesser extent depending on circumstances). The Welsh are free to act and do as they please regardless of the Government. More to the point, there really isn't a "Welsh Government." The Welsh Assembly is very weak compared to the Scottish Assembly. They are very much tied to England and the UK Parliament.

Is suicide not an individual choice?

BTW the numbers we are comparing concern veterans who have as much freedom or more than these welsh teens.

The gist of the article concerning the VA was that they were covering up numbers of suicides for veterans in response to an expose  by CBS which emotionalized the issue as well as castigated the VA for not doing enough to help its clients. My point was that in comparison with Bridgend, they were doing a bang up job.

Apples may not be oranges, but numbers are numbers and Bridgend is in the lead.




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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2008, 05:10:10 PM »
Is suicide not an individual choice?

BTW the numbers we are comparing concern veterans who have as much freedom or more than these welsh teens.

The gist of the article concerning the VA was that they were covering up numbers of suicides for veterans in response to an expose  by CBS which emotionalized the issue as well as castigated the VA for not doing enough to help its clients. My point was that in comparison with Bridgend, they were doing a bang up job.

Apples may not be oranges, but numbers are numbers and Bridgend is in the lead.

Speaking strictly from a statistical point of view, no they aren't comparable. Bridgend is a town of something like 40,000 people in a specific geographic location with a shared culture, weather, environment. The VA is scattered across the country with a very diverse population, though with a somewhat similar shared experience, yet varying backgrounds and a substantially higher base population. Naturally the rate out of 100,000 will be slightly skewed when a Bridgend teen decides to take his or her own life. The teenage population of Bidgend cannot possibly be very high. Compare that to the veteran population (even if simply drawn from just the Iraq War).

It is just not comparable data, there are far too many differing variables.

Having said that, I'm not saying that I agree with the premise of the article you mentioned. The Army has come a very long way in treating mental illness and identifying those who are at-risk of suicide. People should keep in mind the extremely difficult situations these soldiers are placed in.
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Re: Welsh suicide
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2008, 05:47:30 PM »
In the general population the most at risk demographic is males over seventy.

In the Veterans population the largest single group is WWII vets.

Is this convergence causeing a spike in the numbers?