For Love of Judaism

[_JS]

I wonder how you see this marage.
 You do not know much about the right,
so I will give you a clue,
 you will never learn much about the right from the Huffington post.

Interesting Plane. I've honestly never read that.

I'll ask you a question, how could I not know much about the right? There is no left here.

[Plane]

I wonder how you see this marage.
 You do not know much about the right,
so I will give you a clue,
 you will never learn much about the right from the Huffington post.

Interesting Plane. I've honestly never read that.

I'll ask you a question, how could I not know much about the right? There is no left here.

I don't know , but you demonstrated an appalling ignorance when you stated that the US Right has admiration for Facism.

Quite the contrary , we admire John Wane , , Steve McQueen, Gregory Peck ,Ronald Reagan,James Coburn, Lee J. Cobb,Roger Moore,Sean Connery,, David Niven, Anthony Quinn etc. The number of Fascist bodys these guys piled up probly outnumbers the actual number of Natzi party membership.

We even like Robert Mitchim and Jimmy Stewart who probly killed some Fascists in real life.

[Universe Prince]

So which part of this do you find troubling - that anybody with any common sense wasn't surprised by a perfectly predictable outcome, or that you were?

Neither. And I never said I was surprised by the outcome in Europe. I believe what I said was, "I'm watching people who denounce so-called 'Islamofascism' say that the rise of actual fascism in Italy and the U.K. is not only nothing to worry about but a perfectly understandable response to supposedly uncontrolled immigration." I'm not seeing a lot of, say, "well this predictable outcome is a bad one." What I am seeing is more along the lines of, "Well of course that is the outcome because the liberals were letting the immigrants ruin everything." The reactions seem highly sympathetic. None of them seem remotely close to criticisms of people turning to fascism. That is what I find troubling. I am no fan of socialism, but turning to fascism to counter it is like turning to a tyrant to counter a despot.

[Religious Dick]

What I am seeing is more along the lines of, "Well of course that is the outcome because the liberals were letting the immigrants ruin everything." The reactions seem highly sympathetic. None of them seem remotely close to criticisms of people turning to fascism. That is what I find troubling. I am no fan of socialism, but turning to fascism to counter it is like turning to a tyrant to counter a despot.[/color]

Ok, given that the native population isn't getting much sympathy from the mainstream political establishment, what would you recommend that they do? I don't think they're going find "Bend over, grab your ankles and take it!" an acceptable alternative....

[Plane]

is like turning to a tyrant to counter a despot.

A historical event that happens with some regularity .

I don't have any appreciation for Fascism , nor am I a fan of socialism but Americans have a perfect right to become either as much as they fail to understand any better.

I can extend this to Europeans , who I would have thought learned this lesson two or four generations ago , but they have a right to their goofy thinking as Americans do to.  Of course in some European countries the Fascist party is verboten , I don't think that this is actually a good way to deal with them , they go underground and thrive with the "persecution".

But the Islamofascist is presently less a party or a philosophy than an international conspiracy guilty for several thousand murders , many of them people chosen randomly , some others chosen to die for reasons of race.

The European Fascists may have this potential in their future , but they may develop otherwise , remember the Democrats are presently the favorite party of the Afro-American demographic , even though this is the same party that sponsored Jeff Davis. Peacefull Fasism seems like an oxymoron but stranger things have happened .

The Islamo Fascist has no potential to get worse  , the only way for them to be worse would be for them to grow more numerous and successfull they can't get more evil , they are already pegging the needle on the evil gage.

So comparing the Islamo Fascist with the Italian elected fascist is comparing someone who may be contemplating evil with someone who has accomplished the evil .

[Universe Prince]

Ok, given that the native population isn't getting much sympathy from the mainstream political establishment, what would you recommend that they do? I don't think they're going find "Bend over, grab your ankles and take it!" an acceptable alternative....

So fascism is their only alternative? Hm.

We're back to thinking about groups rather than individuals again. The native population are all in 100% agreement are they?

[Universe Prince]

So comparing the Islamo Fascist with the Italian elected fascist is comparing someone who may be contemplating evil with someone who has accomplished the evil .

Treating non-terrorist and generally moderate Muslims as a terrorist fifth column is somehow okay, but criticizing elected fascists is unfair?

[Religious Dick]

So fascism is their only alternative? Hm.

Well, you've had your opportunity to offer an alternative. So far I'm not hearing anything.

We're back to thinking about groups rather than individuals again. The native population are all in 100% agreement are they?[/color]

Apparently enough of them are that you and JS are up in arms about fascists taking over Europe because the BNP won a handful of seats.

[modestyblase]

There are some folks in here who do two things constantly:

1. They defend Israel no matter what that nation's government does.
2. They constantly use the terms Islamofascism or Islamo-nazi.

So we have a situation in Italy and the UK were real Fascists won elections. I'm not talking about right-wingers who get labeled "fascist" by their detractors. I'm talking about politicians who are Fascists and make no qualms about that fact.

In Rome the Jewish community protested the new mayor and PM Burlesconi's fascist references in his victory speech. The BNP picked up council seats in the UK, including a coveted seat on the GLA.

Real Fascists. No semantics. No invented terms to inspire hatred. True fascists who joined Fascist parties.

Yet, these same crusaders for Israel and courageous captains-of-the-guard, vigilantly pursuing Islamic militarism wherever it may hide - said nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

That leads me to ponder two points.

1. They really could give a damn less about the Jewish people. The important thing is the Israeli state and its usefulness. I'd go further and say that Ethiopian Jews, for example, are ultimately meaningless. They have no western values or European culture. The important thing is the Israeli state and how they can be used to kill Muslims.

2. Fascism isn't an enemy at all. The moniker is simply useful to tag onto the end of Islam because it degrades all of Islam. Fascists in Europe are perfectly acceptable, if not appreciated. After all, they are legitimate allies with the right-wing and no one loathes illegal immigration and absolutely loves uniculturalism more than true Fascists. Nationalism is their lynchpin, how bad can real European fascists be to the right wing?

Haven't read Berlusconi's speech, though there is no comparison in the fascism in Italy's modern history and the genocidal religion-fueled warring in the Middle East.

So to address otherwise:

1. Why do you say that the support expressed for the Israeli state is to "kill Muslims"?

2. Why do you perceive the term "Islamofascism"(which I have never used, though I regularly use other terms)as degrading all of Islam? Why is not indicative of simply the extremists, the militants, the fundamentalists-you know, those who slam thirty rockets into Israel daily, or those who deny women any decent and basic right? I would venture a guess that your perception is what is the issue. Just as if I heard someone ranting about crackheads, or methheads, or cokeheads, even if their respective statistically-proven race was put before the drug of choice, I would not immediately presume that rant to color the whole of the race, simply that one segment.

I can't recall your opinions from the heated debates of some months ago, but your indication that those of us who support Israel do so simply because we want them to kill Muslims is fairly extreme(and troubling).

[Universe Prince]

Well, you've had your opportunity to offer an alternative. So far I'm not hearing anything.

Well, I could talk about alternatives like trade and whatnot, but do you really want to read all that? Aren't you just asking so you can be derisive about it and tell me how unrealistic I am?

Apparently enough of them are that you and JS are up in arms about fascists taking over Europe because the BNP won a handful of seats.

I don't think either of us said fascists were taking over Europe.

[Plane]

I wonder how you see this marage.
 You do not know much about the right,
so I will give you a clue,
 you will never learn much about the right from the Huffington post.

Interesting Plane. I've honestly never read that.

I'll ask you a question, how could I not know much about the right? There is no left here.

Wait one ,

.......you mean you havent read the Huffington post?

You really ought to check it out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Not a clue in the bushell about the Right , but I do get a clue from there what the Left is talking about.

I am not posting there though , this is my favoriate show.