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About those prisioners
« on: June 17, 2008, 11:19:28 AM »


06/17/2008
OOPS NATION

A Superpower of Lazy Slobs

NEW YORK--Tens of thousands of innocent detainees have passed through Guant?namo, Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Diego Garcia and other U.S. torture facilities. Thousands remain "disappeared," possibly murdered. Some may be on one of the Navy vessels recently revealed to have been repurposed as prison ships. Dozens have been beaten to death or killed by willful medical neglect.

For seven years, the Bush Administration, the Democratic Congress and its media allies have denied "unlawful enemy combatants" (or, as Dick Cheney called them, "the worst of the worst" terrorists) the right to habeas corpus, the centuries-old right of persons arrested by the police to face their accusers and the evidence against them in a court of law.

Thanks to a 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court, America's latest flirtation with fascism is coming to an end. Parts of the infamous Military Commissions Act of 2006 that eliminated habeas corpus have been declared unconstitutional. Prisoners at Guant?namo and possibly other American gulags, will now be allowed to demand their day in court. Since the government doesn't have evidence against them, legal experts say, most if not all of "the worst of the worst" will ultimately walk free. "Liberty and security can be reconciled," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority.

In short: Oops.
In December 2001, Kurnaz was a 19-year-old German Muslim studying in Pakistan. He was pulled off a bus by Pakistani security services, who delivered him to the CIA for a $3,000 bounty. He was flown to Guant?namo concentration camp, where he received what The Village Voice's Nat Hentoff calls "the standard treatment: beatings, sleep deprivation, and special month-long spells of solitary confinement in a sealed cell without ventilation."

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He went on hunger strike, and Kurnaz's tormentors apparently worried he might starve to death. After 20 days "they gagged me and shoved a tube up my nose, stopping several times because the tube filled with blood," Kurnaz remembers.

What did this "worst of the worst" do to deserve such treatment? Nothing. But don't take my word for it. Six months into his ordeal, the U.S. military determined, there was "no definite link or evidence of detainee having an association with Al Qaeda or making any specific threat toward the U.S."

The U.S. government knew Kurnaz was innocent. Yet they held on to him another three and a half years.

Oops.

It would be comforting if the torture of innocent men sold by self-interested bounty hunters were an aberration. It wasn't. A McClatchy Newspapers analysis confirms the horrifying results of a Seton Hall University study. "Only eight percent of Guant?namo detainees were captured by U.S. forces," reports McClatchy. "86 percent were turned over to the U.S. by Pakistan or by the Northern Alliance," a coalition of Afghan warlords. "The bounty hunters were often the source of allegations."

Right-wingers say security matters can only be entrusted to the military. "The courts," writes Richard Samp of the pro-government Washington Legal Foundation in USA Today, "simply lack the expertise and resources to justify second-guessing military experts on such issues." Maybe. But the military is run by liars.

"The McClatchy investigation found that top Bush Administration officials knew within months of opening the Guant?namo detention center that many prisoners weren't 'the worst of the worst.' From the moment that Guant?namo opened in early 2002, former Secretary of the Army Thomas White said, it was obvious that at least one-third of the population didn't belong there."

At least six died at Gitmo. (The Pentagon characterized a spate of suicides as clever acts of "asymmetrical warfare.")

Oops.

Deranged leaders who carry out horrific acts of mass murder and oppression with the consent of the people are hardly new to American history, reminds Allen Weinstein, Archivist of the United States. "Begin with the Salem witchcraft trials of the 1690s," he told a commencement ceremony at Southern Methodist University. "Move forward to the Alien and Sedition Acts of the early Republic, and from there to the suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War. Turn then to the arbitrary political arrests of the First and Second World Wars, the many abuses of the Cold War McCarthy era, and from there the civil liberties climate in our time."

So many oopsies! But those are temporary excesses, Weinstein reassures. "Self-corrective forces at work in American society"--lefties, liberals, a single swing vote on the U.S. Supreme Court--always pull us back before we careen off the brink. Disaster is avoided.

Which would be fine if it weren't for the problem that: (1) one of these days, Justice Kennedy won't be around to restore the rule of law. The other problem being (2): a lot of "witches" get drowned during our periodic episodes of madness.

No one was ever held accountable for blacklisting actors or massacring Native Americans. Such tacit endorsement of villainy sets the stage for the next outrage committed during a future "temporary madness" driven by national security worries. Apologies are rare. Penance is scarce and stingy. The government stole the homes and businesses of Japanese-Americans and shipped them to concentration camps during World War II; decades passed before Congress cut them checks for a measly $10,000.

We think we Americans are good people who do bad things when we're not on top of our game. "Self-corrective forces," we pat ourselves on our collective backsides, always kick in before we go too far.

But that's not really how it is.

Some Americans are good. Other Americans are bad. And the good ones are often lazy, willing to let the bad ones get their way.
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Ted Rall
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: About those prisioners
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 11:24:40 AM »
Dozens have been beaten to death or killed by willful medical neglect.


Is there any evidence of this out there that isn't backed by a liberal newspaper?  I'm not saying that it's beyond belief, but I'd like to see something a bit more objective before I buy into it.

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Re: About those prisioners
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 01:27:47 PM »
I do not know that "liberal newspapers" are automatically erroneous. I would trust the Miami Herald, Newsweek, Harpers and the Atlantic, all of which have spoke of brutal treatment in Guantanamo and other prison camps, more than Fox News.

The American they called "American Al Qaeda" was duct taped to a stretcher and stored in a shipping container for several days. I suppose you could Google that.

McClatchy newspapers has been doing a series on Guantanamo recently. I imagine you could find it on line in whatever newspaper or magazine you might trust.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 01:31:58 PM »
I'll look XO.  I'm not saying that liberal newspaper are erroneous (no more so than conservative papers) but I like to read news and make up my own mind.

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Re: About those prisioners
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2008, 02:06:03 PM »
There is news and then there are opinion pieces. Rall's column falls into the latter category.


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Re: About those prisioners
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 02:13:27 PM »
It is hardly an opinion that prisoners were mistreated, unless you assume that all those Abu Graib photos were posed by actors.

What happened, either happened or it didn't. I believe that much of this can be found mentioned in a variety of sources on the Internet by anyone with even modest abilities.

What we do about it and what conclusions we draw from it are opinions.
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Re: About those prisioners
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 04:23:36 PM »
<<What happened, either happened or it didn't. I believe that much of this can be found mentioned in a variety of sources on the Internet by anyone with even modest abilities.>>

I hope everyone realizes that out of over 1,100 Abu Ghraib photos and videos, less than 10% have been released by the Pentagon for the public to view.  Apart from what that says about torture in American prisons, it also speaks volumes about who's really in charge in your country.

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We think we Americans are good people who do bad things when we're not on top of our game. "Self-corrective forces," we pat ourselves on our collective backsides, always kick in before we go too far.

But that's not really how it is.

Some Americans are good. Other Americans are bad. And the good ones are often lazy, willing to let the bad ones get their way.

opinion

with which i agree