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Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« on: July 11, 2008, 06:17:52 AM »
Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
posted by John Nichols on 07/10/2008 @ 4:08pm

As Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich moved a "privileged resolution" to force House to consider the question of whether President Bush should be impeached for lying to Congress and the American people about the reasons for invading and occupying Iraq, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi surprised almost everyone by suggesting that the Judiciary Committee might indeed take up the issue.

Pelosi, who famously declared impeachment to be "off the table" before the 2006 election, now suggests that hearings on the president's high crimes and misdemeanors are a distinct possibility.

"My expectation is that there will be some review of that in the committee," the California Democrat told reporters Thursday.

"This is a Judiciary Committee matter, and I believe we will see some attention being paid to it by the Judiciary Committee," Pelosi explained.

The speaker was not suggesting that members of the Judiciary panel would be voting anytime soon on formal impeachment resolutions. Pelosi said she did "not necessarily (see the committee) taking up the articles of impeachment because that would have to be approved on the floor, but to have some hearings on the subject."

Judiciary Committee chair John Conyers, D-Michigan, has indicated that he is reviewing the 35 articles of impeachment Kucinich has proposed for President Bush. He has not indicated, however, whether he intends to hold hearings on any of them or on broads questions of whether violations of their oaths of office, the Constitutionally-defined separation of powers and the laws of the land by the president and Vice President Dick Cheney -- the subject of three impeachment articles submitted by Kucinich -- should be addressed by Congress.

It is no secret that Conyers has felt constrained by Pelosi's "off-the-table" commitment.

Whether her new line opens the door for hearings before the end of the Bush-Cheney presidency remains to be seen.

But Pelosi's remarks do create an opening for the members of the Judiciary Committee, including Florida Democrat Bob Wexler and Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, who have co-sponsored Kucinich's articles of impeachment and who have urged the committee to open hearings on issues of presidential accountability.

For his part, Kucinich will keep pressing for action.

"Congress must, in the name of the American people, use the one remedy which the Founders provided for an Executive who gravely abused his power: Impeachment. Congress must reassert itself as a co-equal branch of government; bring this President to an accounting, and in doing so reestablish the people's trust in Congress and in our United States system of government. We must not let this President's conduct go unchallenged and thereby create a precedent which undermines the Constitution," the Ohio congressman said Thursday, as he prepared to introduce his privileged resolution to force consideration of impeachment of a president who he accuses of "deceiving Congress with fabricated threats of Iraq WMDs to fraudulently obtain support for an authorization of the use of military force against Iraq.".

"In the final analysis this is about our Constitution and whether a President can be held accountable for his actions and his deceptions, especially when the effects of those actions have been so calamitous for America, Iraq and the world. Unless Congress reasserts itself as the power branch of government which the Founders intended, our experiment with a republican form of Government may be nearing an end. But when Congress acts to hold this President accountable it will be redeeming the faith that the Founders had in the power of a system of checks and balances which preserves our republic."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/336149/print

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Re: Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 10:35:14 AM »
Wimps want impeachment.  Real men want war crimes trials.

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Re: Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 07:55:54 PM »
All right!

Dick Cheny gets to be president for a few weeks.

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Re: Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 08:05:14 PM »
Who said only one person would stand trial for war crimes?

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Re: Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2008, 08:28:30 PM »
We can't even get the president of Sudan to stand trial for war crimes .

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/su.html

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Diplomats, judges, lawyers, human rights activists and members of nongovernmental organizations are currently marking the 10th anniversary of the completion of the treaty that established the International Criminal Court. The court's creation was an extraordinary step in extending the reach of law to those responsible for the mass slaughter of civilians and the use of rape as a weapon of war. 
 
But what may not get much mention during the celebrations are the difficulties the court has encountered in making arrests. The ICC has no police unit to execute its warrants. It is totally dependent on the assistance of governments - sometimes the very governments that are linked to the crimes charged. And unlike other tribunals, the ICC is mandated to investigate crimes that are committed during ongoing conflicts. 
 
This is a distinction with consequences that may have undercut the ICC's effectiveness. The court's "real time" mandate means that it investigates crimes even as other important diplomatic objectives like peace negotiations or the deployment of peacekeeping forces are underway. 
 
The result: Some in the diplomatic community are suggesting that the quest for justice can prove to be an obstacle to peace. Already, this has diminished the robust diplomatic and political support the ICC needs to succeed. Both the United Nations itself and individual governments have dragged their feet when asked to act forcefully in pressing for arrests. 
 
For example, when members of the UN Security Council traveled to Khartoum in June 2007 for meetings with the Sudanese leadership, the Council failed to include Khartoum's blatant obstruction of the ICC's arrest warrants in its talking points - even though the Council itself had requested that the International Criminal Court investigate the situation in Darfur. 
 
UN officials apparently feared that mentioning the ICC's arrest warrants would deepen the Sudanese leadership's opposition to the much-needed deployment of UN peacekeeping forces in Darfur. Sudanese officials took note of the silence and responded with emboldened resistance not just to the ICC warrants but also to the prompt deployment of peacekeeping forces and the unfettered delivery of humanitarian assistance. (Indeed, Khartoum gave one of the two ICC suspects, the minister for humanitarian affairs, more human rights responsibilities and released the other from custody.) 
 

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/11/sudan-warrant.html
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The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court [ICC] will ask for an arrest warrant to be issued next week that names the president of Sudan as a suspect in genocide and other crimes against humanity, diplomats and UN officials said Friday.

The charges would be in connection with the ongoing conflict in Sudan’s Darfur region, where up to 300,000 people have died in what began as an uprising by ethnic African rebels but now features attacks on civilians and non-combatants by Arab militia groups, reportedly backed by Khartoum.

The diplomats and officials, who requested anonymity as a condition of speaking to journalists, said prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo is expected to name top Sudanese leaders, including President Omar al-Bashir, as war crime suspects when he appears before judges at the ICC next Monday in The Hague, Netherlands.




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Re: Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 10:53:25 PM »
<<If you can't catch a fox , can you catch a tiger?>>

I think if the American people can be told the truth about how the war started, and how it was conducted, and educated as to the basic principles of the Nuremburg War Crimes trials, they can be persuaded to back war crimes trials against Bush, Cheney, Condi and Rumsfeld.  I think that years of right-wing brainwashing have convinced the sheeple that America is basically good and therefore that no leader elected by its people can be basically evil, and so they will never be persuaded to hold war crimes trials of their former leaders, an indictment of whom would be an indictment of themselves.  So we are only talking theory here.  Really we are debating whether these folks are in fact war criminals who SHOULD be prosecuted (and would be in an ideal world) or not. 

But to return for a moment to the purely hypothetical, if the American people COULD be persuaded to back war crimes trials, I can't see Bush and Cheney hiding out in the Sudan. They'd probably choose to come back voluntarily and face the music or they'd be brought back by force from wherever they were trying to hide out.

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Re: Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2008, 10:59:14 PM »
The truth will come on out , and President Bush will look better all the time.

Why not ? Even President Carter looks better now than he did when he was President.

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Re: Pelosi Slips Impeachment Onto the Table
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 11:05:07 PM »
There is no similarity between the Hague trying the Sudanese leaders or Congress trying Cheney and Juniorbush (I am hoping in that order). I doubt that either will reach a trial, but they all deserve it.

The GOP is planning to have Juniorbush speak at the first part of the convention and then vanish, so McCain and Juniorbush will not have to stand on the same stage together. I am guessing Cheney will sit the whole thing out. Perhaps they can send him on a hunting trip to plug caged animals in a zoo somewhere, secretly.

That pretty much tells us how much the GOP thinks their last candidates were worth. They are buried in shame and now wish to foist another Juniorbush upon us. I recall once we pulled up to a Roy Rogers restaurant on the Florida Turnpike, and a car pulled up and six women in waitress uniforms got out, each carrying their own lunch.

We drew the obvious conclusions, started up the car and got off the turnpike for lunch.
The American People should do the same with the GOP. When someone shows that they do not trust their own judgement, there is no reason for anyone else to trust it, either.


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