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MissusDe

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Obama's Kenya ghosts
« on: October 14, 2008, 06:27:44 PM »
Mark Hyman
Sunday, October 12, 2008


COMMENTARY:

About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.

The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.

By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga, the opposition leader who lost the Dec. 27, 2007, presidential election by more than 230,000 votes. Odinga supporters began the genocide hours after the final election results were announced Dec. 30. Mr. Odinga was a member of Parliament representing an area in western Kenya, heavily populated by the Luo tribe, and the birthplace of Barack Obama's father.

Mr. Odinga had the backing of Kenya's Muslim community heading into the election. For months he denied any ties to Muslim leaders, but fell silent when Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, appeared on Kenya television displaying a memorandum of understanding signed on Aug. 29, 2007, by Mr. Odinga and the Muslim leader. Mr. Odinga then denied his denials.

The details of the MOU were shocking. In return for Muslim backing, Mr. Odinga promised to impose a number of measures favored by Muslims if he were elected president. Among these were recognition of "Islam as the only true religion," Islamic leaders would have an "oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other religions [emphasis in original]," installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction, a ban on Christian preaching, replacement of the police commissioner who "allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists," adoption of a women's dress code, and bans on alcohol and pork.

This was not Mr. Odinga's first brush with notoriety. Like his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, the main opposition leader in the 1960s and 1970s, Raila Odinga is a Marxist He graduated from East Germany's Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship provided by the East German government. He named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.

Raila Odinga was implicated in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 against then-President Daniel Arap Moi, a close ally of the United States. Kenya has been one of the most stable democracies in Africa since the 1960s. The ethnic cleansing earlier this year was the worst violence in Kenya since that 1982 coup attempt.

Mr. Odinga spent eight years in prison. At the time, he denied guilt but later detailed he was a coup leader in his 2006 biography. Statue of limitations precluded further prosecution when the biography appeared.

Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. "The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials," Mr. Obama announced.

"Kenyans are now yearning for change," he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama's remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans - he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama had met several times before the 2006 trip. Reports indicate Mr. Odinga visited Mr. Obama during trips to the U.S. in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Mr. Obama sent his foreign policy adviser Mark Lippert to Kenya in early 2006 to coordinate his summer visit. Mr. Obama's August trip coincided with strategizing by Orange Democratic Movement leaders to defeat Mr. Kibaki in the upcoming elections. Mr. Odinga represented the ODM ticket in the presidential race.

Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama's father were both from the Luo community, the second-largest tribe in Kenya, but their ties run much deeper. Mr. Odinga told a stunned BBC Radio interviewer the reason why he and Mr. Obama were staying in near daily telephone contact was because they were cousins. In a Jan. 8, 2008, interview, Mr. Odinga said Mr. Obama had called him twice the day before while campaigning in the New Hampshire primary before adding, "Barack Obama's father is my maternal uncle."

President Kibaki requested a meeting of all opposition leaders in early January in an effort to quell the violence. All agreed to attend except Mr. Odinga. A month later, Mr. Kibaki offered Mr. Odinga the role of prime minister, the de facto No. 2 in the Kenyan government, in return for an end to the attacks. Mr. Odinga was sworn in on April 17, 2008.

Mr. Obama's judgment is seriously called into question when he backs an official with troubling ties to Muslim extremists and whose supporters practice ethnic cleansing and genocide. It was Islamic extremists in Kenya who bombed the U.S. Embassy in 1998, killing more than 200 and injuring thousands. None of this has dissuaded Mr. Obama from maintaining disturbing loyalties.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/

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Re: Obama's Kenya ghosts
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 06:31:19 PM »
Keep throwing all this weird shit against the wall, Missus . Maybe some of it will stick afer it smells y'all all up.

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 04:31:41 AM »
Keep throwing all this weird shit against the wall, Missus . Maybe some of it will stick afer it smells y'all all up.


You mean you checked on this and found that it is not true?

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 10:09:10 AM »
Keep throwing all this weird shit against the wall, Missus . Maybe some of it will stick afer it smells y'all all up.


You mean you checked on this and found that it is not true?
If it is in the Washtimes, it is probly a lie.Besides it only matters to the most rabid of RW lunatics. The rest of US are worried about the economy.

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 10:12:49 AM »
So now we are supposed to believe that Kenyan tribalism is going to infect the US presidency?  Oh, please. Silly rightwing Moonie paper will print anything.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 05:30:24 AM »
So now we are supposed to believe that Kenyan tribalism is going to infect the US presidency?  Oh, please. Silly rightwing Moonie paper will print anything.


I did not get that message , I saw BHO being careless in endorseing , or seeming to endorse a foreighn official, with negative results.

The president leads our Diplomatic corps, I hope this story isn't true.

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 08:50:45 AM »
Raila Odinga was implicated in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 against then-President Daniel Arap Moi, a close ally of the United States. Kenya has been one of the most stable democracies in Africa since the 1960s.

Arap Moi was a thug. "stable democracy" does not exactly describe Kenya. It was better off than Uganda, but then again....
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 08:54:05 AM »
<<The president leads our Diplomatic corps, I hope this story isn't true.>>

Shit happens.  Here's a story that IS true:  for a number of years, your President backed Saddam Hussein and so did the U.S. Diplomatic Corps.   Here's another:  U.S. Presidents and their Diplomatic Corps have backed the Presidents of Nicaragua, Cuba, El Salvador, Argentina, Chile, Guatemala, Uruguay and Honduras, while those countries ran fascist dictatorships backed by death squads and torture chambers.  So did John Insane during his decades in the Senate.  He never rocked the boat.  Why now get all bent out of shape because Obama visits his cousin in Kenya?  He's only being Presidential.

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 09:09:58 AM »
Why now get all bent out of shape because Obama visits his cousin in Kenya?  He's only being Presidential.

Maybe he's just being a "Maverick".

What is so positive about the work 'Maverick' anyway. If not for James Garner's TV show, a maverick was a stray cow found wandering about without a brand, or a 1970's model Ford that was so famous for combining with the atmosphere that it is a very rare day when you see one.

The Garner character was famous for avoiding all forms of work, as I recall. Is that what we want?
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 09:30:33 AM »
Maverick's a cow that doesn't follow the herd and isn't owned by anyone.  It's an attractive enough image, but I find it's hilarious when McCain and Palin constantly have to refer to themselves as mavericks (can you see a real maverick doing that?  a real maverick doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.  a real maverick doesn't ask to be head of the herd.)

The funniest thing I heard in the campaign so far was when Tina Fey - - no, it actually WAS Sarah Palin - - told a TV audience that she and John Insane were gonna git them a whole TEAM of mavericks to run the country.

Sometimes I think of what must happen when one of the "Maverick Team" fucks up - - "Get yer ass outta here, Maverick.  You just don't fit into our maverick team!"

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 09:35:50 AM »
The funniest thing I heard in the campaign so far was when Tina Fey - - no, it actually WAS Sarah Palin - - told a TV audience that she and John Insane were gonna git them a whole TEAM of mavericks to run the country.

Sometimes I think of what must happen when one of the "Maverick Team" fucks up - - "Get yer ass outta here, Maverick.  You just don't fit into our maverick team!"
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 10:24:13 AM »
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The funniest thing I heard in the campaign so far was when Tina Fey - - no, it actually WAS Sarah Palin - - told a TV audience that she and John Insane were gonna git them a whole TEAM of mavericks to run the country.

Seems to me a whole team of mavericks would be, well, just another herd...
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 11:01:35 AM »
Seems to me a whole team of mavericks would be, well, just another herd...

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They'd be different, see, 'cause they wouldn't be BRANDED as Republicans. No Brand is the Maverick brand.

I observe that McCain is not campaigning for Republicans. That  annoying old fart from Big Tobacco, Sen. Mich McConnell seems to be in danger of being deposed, even.

I guess that if you run as a Maverick against your own party, it's pretty hard to campaign for them at the same time.

The biggest problem with Jimmy Carter is that he refused to play by the established Washington rules. He got little cooperation from his own party. Seems this would be a threat if McCain were elected as well.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 08:33:01 PM »
The funniest thing I heard in the campaign so far was when Tina Fey - - no, it actually WAS Sarah Palin - - told a TV audience that she and John Insane were gonna git them a whole TEAM of mavericks to run the country.

Sometimes I think of what must happen when one of the "Maverick Team" fucks up - - "Get yer ass outta here, Maverick.  You just don't fit into our maverick team!"
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Hehehehe.....

That is funny , I understand the Ann Rand Fan clubs have this problem electing leadership.